RE: Re: Pushing back the barriers and being demolished by IBM
"ron.hilton" <[email protected]> Thu, 3 Nov 2011 08:40:42 -0600
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--ZtkyfjoH5uNLgn5QmeFD2Y1qtSttI5HEIQ0HWDG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Herculeans, I think the EU and the US DOJ are both still investigating IBM on this matter, irrespective of the withdrawal of complaints or lawsuits by private parties. Antitrust enforcement is really the only legal remedy for a situation like this, where a market incumbent asserts their intellectual property (IP) to block competitive enhancements to their technology from ever reaching the market. Having said that, the legal remedy should be the last resort. The best remedy is a commercial one, which is to develop one's own IP portfolio. As I have stated before on this forum, the best defense is a good offense when it comes to IP. Has Hercules yet considered creating or joining a software patent commons? The key would be to develop at least one high-value patent that IBM needs or wants for their proprietary mainframe product plans. Then Hercules would then have some leverage to induce IBM to put their mainframe IP into the software commons for non-commercial use, in exchange for allowing them commercial use of the Hercules IP. Ron Hilton _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kerravon86 Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [hercules-advocacy] Re: Pushing back the barriers and being demolished by IBM --- In [email protected] <mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com> , "Roger Bowler" <rogerbowler@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com> , Harold Grovesteen > > If IBM's objective is accepted as being acquiring or demolishing > > innovators, can one conclude TurboHercules is hoping > > for acquisition? > > On a more serious note, no that was never the intention. A pity we still don't know why a complaint would be voluntarily withdrawn. I would had hoped to see the outcome of that ruling and wished that the EU would tell IBM that they can't claim the mainframe to be "just another server" which only a complete dope would fall for. BFN. Paul. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --ZtkyfjoH5uNLgn5QmeFD2Y1qtSttI5HEIQ0HWDG Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #fff;"> <span style="display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text" > <p>Herculeans,<br> <br> I think the EU and the US DOJ are both still investigating IBM on this<br> matter, irrespective of the withdrawal of complaints or lawsuits by private<br> parties. Antitrust enforcement is really the only legal remedy for a<br> situation like this, where a market incumbent asserts their intellectual<br> property (IP) to block competitive enhancements to their technology from<br> ever reaching the market. Having said that, the legal remedy should be the<br> last resort. The best remedy is a commercial one, which is to develop one's<br> own IP portfolio. As I have stated before on this forum, the best defense is<br> a good offense when it comes to IP. Has Hercules yet considered creating or<br> joining a software patent commons? The key would be to develop at least one<br> high-value patent that IBM needs or wants for their proprietary mainframe<br> product plans. Then Hercules would then have some leverage to induce IBM to<br> put their mainframe IP into the software commons for non-commercial use, in<br> exchange for allowing them commercial use of the Hercules IP.<br> <br> Ron Hilton<br> <br> _____ <br> <br> From: <a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a><br> [mailto:<a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>] On Behalf Of kerravon86<br> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:20 AM<br> To: <a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a><br> Subject: [hercules-advocacy] Re: Pushing back the barriers and being<br> demolished by IBM<br> <br> --- In <a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a><br> <mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com> , "Roger Bowler"<br> <rogerbowler@...> wrote:<br> ><br> > --- In <a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a><br> <mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com> , Harold Grovesteen <br> > > If IBM's objective is accepted as being acquiring or demolishing<br> > > innovators, can one conclude TurboHercules is hoping <br> > > for acquisition?<br> > <br> > On a more serious note, no that was never the intention.<br> <br> A pity we still don't know why a complaint would<br> be voluntarily withdrawn. I would had hoped to see<br> the outcome of that ruling and wished that the EU<br> would tell IBM that they can't claim the mainframe<br> to be "just another server" which only a complete<br> dope would fall for.<br> <br> BFN. Paul.<br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style="color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> <div id="ygrp-actbar" style="clear: both; margin-bottom: 10px; white-space: nowrap; color: #666; padding-top: 15px;"> <div> <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=RE%3A%20%5Bhercules-advocacy%5D%20Re%3A%20Pushing%20back%20the%20barriers%20and%20being%20demolished%20by%20IBM" style="margin-right: 0; padding-right: 0;"> Reply to <span style="font-weight: 700;">sender</span></a> | <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=RE%3A%20%5Bhercules-advocacy%5D%20Re%3A%20Pushing%20back%20the%20barriers%20and%20being%20demolished%20by%20IBM"> Reply to <span style="font-weight: 700;">group</span></a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZmpkMGVpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzk5MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjAzMzEyNjc-?act=reply&messageNum=990">Reply <span style="font-weight: 700;">via web post</span></a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldGE5amVmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMyMDMzMTI2Nw--" style="font-weight: 700;">Start a New Topic</a> </div> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy/message/985;_ylc=X3oDMTMybXNyNzhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzk5MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjAzMzEyNjcEdHBjSWQDOTg1">Messages in this topic</a> (<span style="font-weight: 700;">6</span>) </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vital" style="background-color: #e0ecee; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;"> <span id="vithd" style="font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-transform: uppercase; ">Recent Activity:</span> <ul style="list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: inline;"> </ul> <div style="clear: both; padding-top: 2px; color: #1e66ae;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy;_ylc=X3oDMTJldmprNWNjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMDMzMTI2Nw--" style="text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a> </div> </div> <div id="ygrp-mkp" style="border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; clear: both; float: left; font-family: Arial; margin: 5px 0 10px 0; padding: 0 10px;"> <div id="hd" style="color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0;">MARKETPLACE</div> <div id="ads" style="margin-bottom: 10px;"> <div class="ad" style="color: #628C2A; font-family: Arial; font-weight: 700; padding: 0 0;"> <p><a href="http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15omhq3eu/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1705007709:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1320338468/L=ddace780-0629-11e1-a0b3-6f140b5c8fec/B=ksgWHdj8ek0-/J=1320331268109442/K=1HDDKbZJrDp76G8gFePSUQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj">Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! 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