RE: Re: Pushing back the barriers and beingdemolished by IBM
"ron.hilton" <[email protected]> Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:37:55 -0700
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--h1ZXQE2SLh-5ios3YsB1dKJVKxRWjtz2BVq1cz6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay, If Open Source Mainframes, Inc. (OSMI?) has enough funds to have an attorney draft a form license agreement along the lines I suggested (non-commercial rights to OSMI, commercially sublicensable to IBM), my offer stands to file a limited number of PPAs for the cost of filing on behalf of Hercules developers who execute that agreement with OSMI. As I suggested, it would probably be well to do an internal review by the Hercules development community first to decide which applications are most worth pursuing. Thanks, Ron Hilton _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hercules-advocacy] Re: Pushing back the barriers and beingdemolished by IBM On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 08:20:50AM -0700, ron.hilton wrote: > It would not be up to the investor to mount an infringement lawsuit against > IBM. That would be up to Hercules. Although Hercules essentially has no > funds, if it had some truly valuable IP, there would likely be law firms > willing to take the case on contingency. And IBM knows that, and thus would > be motivated to settle, especially since Hercules would primarily be seeking > non-monetary consideration (as long as lawyers don't need to get involved in > a big way) such as immunity from IBM patents for non-commercial Hercules > use, hobbyist software licensing, etc. Just a note: The "Hercules, Inc" you refer to actually exists. It's a nonprofit, soon-to-be-charity (of the 501(c)(3) variety) named Open Source Mainframes, Inc. It would have some funds, but not enough to wage a high-powered patent fight of the type required to have any sort of a chance at beating IBM. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!) Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --h1ZXQE2SLh-5ios3YsB1dKJVKxRWjtz2BVq1cz6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #fff;"> <span style="display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text" > <p>Jay,<br> <br> If Open Source Mainframes, Inc. (OSMI?) has enough funds to have an attorney<br> draft a form license agreement along the lines I suggested (non-commercial<br> rights to OSMI, commercially sublicensable to IBM), my offer stands to file<br> a limited number of PPAs for the cost of filing on behalf of Hercules<br> developers who execute that agreement with OSMI. As I suggested, it would<br> probably be well to do an internal review by the Hercules development<br> community first to decide which applications are most worth pursuing.<br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> Ron Hilton<br> <br> _____ <br> <br> From: <a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a><br> [mailto:<a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>] On Behalf Of Jay Maynard<br> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:24 AM<br> To: <a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a><br> Subject: Re: [hercules-advocacy] Re: Pushing back the barriers and<br> beingdemolished by IBM<br> <br> On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 08:20:50AM -0700, ron.hilton wrote:<br> > It would not be up to the investor to mount an infringement lawsuit<br> against<br> > IBM. That would be up to Hercules. Although Hercules essentially has no<br> > funds, if it had some truly valuable IP, there would likely be law firms<br> > willing to take the case on contingency. And IBM knows that, and thus<br> would<br> > be motivated to settle, especially since Hercules would primarily be<br> seeking<br> > non-monetary consideration (as long as lawyers don't need to get involved<br> in<br> > a big way) such as immunity from IBM patents for non-commercial Hercules<br> > use, hobbyist software licensing, etc.<br> <br> Just a note: The "Hercules, Inc" you refer to actually exists. It's a<br> nonprofit, soon-to-be-charity (of the 501(c)(3) variety) named Open Source<br> Mainframes, Inc. It would have some funds, but not enough to wage a<br> high-powered patent fight of the type required to have any sort of a chance<br> at beating IBM.<br> -- <br> Jay Maynard, K5ZC <a href="http://www.conmicro.com">http://www.conmicro.com</a><br> <a href="http://jmaynard.livejournal.com">http://jmaynard.livejournal.com</a> <a href="http://www.tronguy.net">http://www.tronguy.net</a><br> <a href="http://www.hercules-390.org">http://www.hercules-390.org</a> (Yes, that's me!)<br> Buy Hercules stuff at <a href="http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390">http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390</a><br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style="color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> <div id="ygrp-actbar" style="clear: both; margin-bottom: 10px; white-space: nowrap; color: #666; padding-top: 15px;"> <div> <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=RE%3A%20%5Bhercules-advocacy%5D%20Re%3A%20Pushing%20back%20the%20barriers%20and%20beingdemolished%20by%20IBM" style="margin-right: 0; padding-right: 0;"> Reply to <span style="font-weight: 700;">sender</span></a> | <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=RE%3A%20%5Bhercules-advocacy%5D%20Re%3A%20Pushing%20back%20the%20barriers%20and%20beingdemolished%20by%20IBM"> Reply to <span style="font-weight: 700;">group</span></a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYjBkOXVjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzk5OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjA2ODAzMDM-?act=reply&messageNum=999">Reply <span style="font-weight: 700;">via web post</span></a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNWluaTc1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMyMDY4MDMwMw--" style="font-weight: 700;">Start a New Topic</a> </div> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy/message/985;_ylc=X3oDMTMybzY4cmI3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzk5OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjA2ODAzMDMEdHBjSWQDOTg1">Messages in this topic</a> (<span style="font-weight: 700;">14</span>) </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vital" style="background-color: #e0ecee; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;"> <span id="vithd" style="font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-transform: uppercase; ">Recent Activity:</span> <ul style="list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: inline;"> </ul> <div style="clear: both; padding-top: 2px; color: #1e66ae;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMzVudDk1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMDY4MDMwMw--" style="text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a> </div> </div> <div id="ygrp-mkp" style="border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; clear: both; float: left; font-family: Arial; margin: 5px 0 10px 0; padding: 0 10px;"> <div id="hd" style="color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0;">MARKETPLACE</div> <div id="ads" style="margin-bottom: 10px;"> <div class="ad" style="color: #628C2A; font-family: Arial; font-weight: 700; padding: 0 0;"> <p><a href="http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ovvlrm1/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1705007709:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1320687503/L=86d58cfc-0956-11e1-bab0-631913bff1a3/B=FuqEIGKJiSQ-/J=1320680303239576/K=ZOeUrzVdi8HEY6PsBXHGaQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj">Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! 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