Re: Pushing back the barriers and beingdemolished by IBM
"Roger Bowler" <rogerbowler-/[email protected]> Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:25:50 -0000
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On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 09:02:28AM -0800, Ray Mullins wrote:
> If it became known that IBM was saying one thing, but then=20
> selectively crushing certain open source projects, then the
> negative publicity could become a monkey on Pok's back.
Jay Maynard <jmaynard@...> wrote:
> Been there, tried that, with limited success so far.
Indeed. If past experience is anything to go by, Hercules won't get much su=
pport from the wider open source community. Apart from the fact that very f=
ew people know or care much about the mainframe, it turns out that some of =
the most prominent Open Source organizations are funded by IBM and are cons=
equently reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them.
Roger Bowler
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On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 09:02:28AM -0800, Ray Mullins wrote:<br>
> If it became known that IBM was saying one thing, but then <br>
> selectively crushing certain open source projects, then the<br>
> negative publicity could become a monkey on Pok's back.<br>
<br>
Jay Maynard <jmaynard@...> wrote:<br>
> Been there, tried that, with limited success so far.<br>
<br>
Indeed. If past experience is anything to go by, Hercules won't get much support from the wider open source community. Apart from the fact that very few people know or care much about the mainframe, it turns out that some of the most prominent Open Source organizations are funded by IBM and are consequently reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them.<br>
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Roger Bowler<br>
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