RE: Innovation

"Rocky" <[email protected]> Mon, 28 May 2012 19:41:01 +0300
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Seems to me that that is a very specific case.
Lots of people are running ZOS -Illegitamately
And IBM seems to be turning a blind eye to that...
 
As long as Hercules is a poor mans mainframe ( Free) IBM is not going to
help you.
And as long as it's a bunch of "Crazies" spending their time they are not
going to bother fighting you.
 
I think it's when we try to Commercialize that we are running into problems.
Perhaps a better way to go would be to try to cooperate with IBM - Software
- Hardware - any way we cld work with them instead of against them.
 
correct me if I am wrong, but I was always under the impression that IBM
sold a license to run their OS on a specific machine.
Had nothing to do with Hercules -- ALWAYS running it on other hardware was
taboo to some degree.
 
So - how did the other platforms resolve their issues.
What did AMDAHL do? what did FLEX do? Fujitsu etc. etc.
 
"Amdahl owed some of its success to
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust> antitrust settlements between IBM
and the  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Department_of_Justice> U.S.
Department of Justice, which ensured that Amdahl's customers could license
IBM's mainframe software under reasonable terms."
 
So whats the issue? probably the fact that this is a poor mans machine - and
none of us developers can afford to purchase a legitimate operating system
for fun and games. and since the platform is basically free there will never
be any control.
 
IBM seems to behaving very sanely in ignoring us --- I don't think we should
wait for their blessing.....
Lets just hope that they don't turn their full wrath on us.
 
 


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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roger Bowler
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 6:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hercules-advocacy] Innovation


  

On 28/05/2012 16:27, Harold Grovesteen wrote:
> As an open source software project, just what would we be trying to
> protect and from whom? As near as I can tell, a patent related to
> Hercules by one or more of its developers appears to give some chest
> thumping rights (claims to innovation) in some quarters but that's it.

Harold,

It's not so much about protecting invention but rather about achieving a 
result unobtainable by other means - specifically forcing IBM to recognize 
Hercules as a legitimate platform for running z/OS.

Ron is suggesting that the patent system could be used to gain some 
bargaining power which could succeed where the anti-trust route failed.

Unfortunately however the system is skewed in favor of the party with the 
deepest pockets.

Regards,
Roger Bowler
Hercules "the people's mainframe"






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      <p>Seems to me that that is a very specific case.<br>
Lots of people are running ZOS -Illegitamately<br>
And IBM seems to be turning a blind eye to that...<br>
 <br>
As long as Hercules is a poor mans mainframe ( Free) IBM is not going to<br>
help you.<br>
And as long as it's a bunch of &quot;Crazies&quot; spending their time they are not<br>
going to bother fighting you.<br>
 <br>
I think it's when we try to Commercialize that we are running into problems.<br>
Perhaps a better way to go would be to try to cooperate with IBM - Software<br>
- Hardware - any way we cld work with them instead of against them.<br>
 <br>
correct me if I am wrong, but I was always under the impression that IBM<br>
sold a license to run their OS on a specific machine.<br>
Had nothing to do with Hercules -- ALWAYS running it on other hardware was<br>
taboo to some degree.<br>
 <br>
So - how did the other platforms resolve their issues.<br>
What did AMDAHL do? what did FLEX do? Fujitsu etc. etc.<br>
 <br>
&quot;Amdahl owed some of its success to<br>
&lt;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust</a>&gt; antitrust settlements between IBM<br>
and the  &lt;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Department_of_Justice">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Department_of_Justice</a>&gt; U.S.<br>
Department of Justice, which ensured that Amdahl's customers could license<br>
IBM's mainframe software under reasonable terms.&quot;<br>
 <br>
So whats the issue? probably the fact that this is a poor mans machine - and<br>
none of us developers can afford to purchase a legitimate operating system<br>
for fun and games. and since the platform is basically free there will never<br>
be any control.<br>
 <br>
IBM seems to behaving very sanely in ignoring us --- I don't think we should<br>
wait for their blessing.....<br>
Lets just hope that they don't turn their full wrath on us.<br>
 <br>
 <br>
<br>
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<br>
From: <a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>] On Behalf Of Roger Bowler<br>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 6:42 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a><br>
Subject: Re: [hercules-advocacy] Innovation<br>
<br>
On 28/05/2012 16:27, Harold Grovesteen wrote:<br>
&gt; As an open source software project, just what would we be trying to<br>
&gt; protect and from whom? As near as I can tell, a patent related to<br>
&gt; Hercules by one or more of its developers appears to give some chest<br>
&gt; thumping rights (claims to innovation) in some quarters but that's it.<br>
<br>
Harold,<br>
<br>
It's not so much about protecting invention but rather about achieving a <br>
result unobtainable by other means - specifically forcing IBM to recognize <br>
Hercules as a legitimate platform for running z/OS.<br>
<br>
Ron is suggesting that the patent system could be used to gain some <br>
bargaining power which could succeed where the anti-trust route failed.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately however the system is skewed in favor of the party with the <br>
deepest pockets.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Roger Bowler<br>
Hercules &quot;the people's mainframe&quot;<br>
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