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On 10/16/19 2:35 PM, 'Jeremy Nicoll' [email protected]
[hercules-390] wrote:
>> >> > With services like this one pays both for storage and downloading
>> >> > bandwidth, but as these are 'proper' commercial services one might
>> >> > reasonably expect that they will continue to be around.
>> >>
>> >> I'd not trust a corporation as far as I can throw it with something
>> >> like this, honestly. Always be ready and able to move.
>> >
>> > You surprise me. Their entire business depends on being reliable data
>> > providers for the world.
>
>> That's what it looks like on the surface, yes. This is by design.
>> It's called "marketing".
>
> Are you saying that - say - trusting Amazon S3 storage is a mistake? I'm
> not suggesting that any one provider is the only place to keep anything,
> but surely they've got a certain amount of professional datacentre
> experience behind them?
Once again, current competency isn't at issue here. Don't think for a
moment that there has never been an Amazon S3 outage; one of the
companies that I do work for was screwed by one just a few months ago.
But competency today does not equate to competency tomorrow. Once a new
upper-middle manager comes in and starts asking why those strange people
with the beards who don't wear ties are making so much money, network
quality of service tends to take a dive.
It happened at Yahoo, which for many years was one of the best-run
networks in the world, and we're having this conversation now as a
direct result of it.
>> Yahoo became awful ...
>
> I agree it didn't start off awful, and then became worse. But as far as I
> know none of us have ever paid them for their (groups) service. I know
> they have other paid-for services, but how is that relevant here?
It's relevant here because one presumes that we want free service, and
Yahoo's problems are hardly unique to Yahoo.
> Many of us have websites; few of us host them on our own servers.
Yes, and those who don't, do so at their peril. Ask all of those
Geocities folks how that worked out.
> I don't run a mail-server; instead I use what I hope are technically solid,
> reliable companies to do that for me.
Sure. I don't, never have, because my network activities predate any
such services, and I still think such services are pretty absurd. The
network is a cooperative thing, not a gimme-gimme-gimme thing. But I
understand that others treat it differently.
>> Surely you've
>> been in a situation in which a company is providing a product or service
>> that you like, and suddenly it's not available anymore.
>
> Nope. Because - so far - I've picked companies who do what they're paid
> to do.
...today.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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