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Hi Vince,
What you are seeing is the fragmentation of the Hercules developers. The "w=
ww.hercules-390.org" site was the original site.
When they tried to commercialize it via "turbo Hercules" several decided no=
t to join in, sign contracts etc. and action from IBM meant the effort coll=
apsed.
So Jay Maynard hung onto the original site. Roger Bowler set up "www.hercul=
es-390.eu" and continues to apply some limited maintenance and some new fun=
ction...
The source code for this is in GitHub as "SpinHawk"
https://github.com/rbowler/spinhawk
Some of the rest of the team decided to re-work the code and produce a V4 y=
ou can find that in Git Hub
https://github.com/hercules-390/hyperion
but there was never a "release" and the code is now moribund.....
.... so Fish (David B. Trout) made his own fork which can be downloaded fro=
m his site
http://www.softdevlabs.com/hyperion.html
The source and docs are also in GitHub....
https://github.com/sdl-hercules-390/hyperion
.... so it=E2=80=99s a mess. Until recently I would suggest that you use the=
version from www.hercules-390.eu but Fish has put a lot of work into the S=
DL Hyperion and its now probably the most stable...
.... but on the other hand Rogers has some code for RSCS links.....
Dave
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Sent: 13 October 2019 15:28
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Re: Slightly off-topic: development machine for z=
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> wanted
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> Note that the Hercules site is now at :
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> www.hercules-390.eu
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> But it only shows the latest version in the v3 series namely 3.13
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> The www.hercules-390.org is up at least today but as it appears to be no =
longer
> maintained it only shows an older version.
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> ..
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> On 13/10/2019 01:49, kerravon86-/[email protected] [H390-MVS] wrote:
> >
> > ---In [email protected], <bumens@...> wrote :
> >
> > > Also there is no network I/O at all in C18.
> > > And while threads were be added there is no async I/O abstraction
> >
> > Ok, for your particular project, it seems that you will need Posix.
> > But for other Unix freeware, like gcc and sed, which are basically
> > text-processing programs, there is no reason why a C90 or C18 target
> > can't be provided by default. I don't understand why the authors of
> > these programs don't consider standard C environments.
> >
> > > Is the required patch to run MVS/380 already in Hercules 4 ? If not,
> > > I don't have a Windows machine. Where can I find the patch,
> >
> > The patch is included in either of the files here:
> >
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mvs380/files/hercules380/Hercules-380
> > %20v3.07-5.0/
> >
> > Look for hercules*.txt.
> >
> > > and on which version of Hercules am I required to apply this patch?
> >
> > It needs to be applied against 3.07, which can be found here:
> >
> > https://web.archive.org/web/20191012122349/http://www.hercules-390.org
> > /
> >
> > The hercules-390.org site is down at the moment, so I provided the
> > archive.org snapshot instead.
> >
> > BFN. Paul.
> >
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<p>Hi Vince,<br>
<br>
What you are seeing is the fragmentation of the Hercules developers. The &q=
uot;www.hercules-390.org" site was the original site.<br>
When they tried to commercialize it via "turbo Hercules" several =
decided not to join in, sign contracts etc. and action from IBM meant the e=
ffort collapsed.<br>
So Jay Maynard hung onto the original site. Roger Bowler set up "www.h=
ercules-390.eu" and continues to apply some limited maintenance and so=
me new function...<br>
<br>
The source code for this is in GitHub as "SpinHawk"<br>
<br>
https://github.com/rbowler/spinhawk<br>
<br>
Some of the rest of the team decided to re-work the code and produce a V4 y=
ou can find that in Git Hub<br>
<br>
https://github.com/hercules-390/hyperion<br>
<br>
but there was never a "release" and the code is now moribund.....=
<br>
.... so Fish (David B. Trout) made his own fork which can be downloaded fro=
m his site<br>
<br>
http://www.softdevlabs.com/hyperion.html<br>
<br>
The source and docs are also in GitHub....<br>
<br>
https://github.com/sdl-hercules-390/hyperion<br>
<br>
.... so it=E2=80=99s a mess. Until recently I would suggest that you use the=
version from www.hercules-390.eu but Fish has put a lot of work into the S=
DL Hyperion and its now probably the most stable...<br>
.... but on the other hand Rogers has some code for RSCS links.....<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]><br>
> Sent: 13 October 2019 15:28<br>
> To: [email protected]<br>
> Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Re: Slightly off-topic: development machine fo=
r z/OS<br>
> wanted<br>
> <br>
> Note that the Hercules site is now at :<br>
> <br>
> www.hercules-390.eu<br>
> <br>
> But it only shows the latest version in the v3 series namely 3.13<br>
> <br>
> The www.hercules-390.org is up at least today but as it appears to be =
no longer<br>
> maintained it only shows an older version.<br>
> <br>
> ..<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 13/10/2019 01:49, kerravon86-/[email protected] [H390-MVS] wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > ---In [email protected], <bumens@...> wrote :<br>
> ><br>
> > > Also there is no network I/O at all in C18.<br>
> > > And while threads were be added there is no async I/O abstra=
ction<br>
> ><br>
> > Ok, for your particular project, it seems that you will need Posi=
x.<br>
> > But for other Unix freeware, like gcc and sed, which are basicall=
y<br>
> > text-processing programs, there is no reason why a C90 or C18 tar=
get<br>
> > can't be provided by default. I don't understand why the =
authors of<br>
> > these programs don't consider standard C environments.<br>
> ><br>
> > > Is the required patch to run MVS/380 already in Hercules 4 ?=
If not,<br>
> > > I don't have a Windows machine. Where can I find the pat=
ch,<br>
> ><br>
> > The patch is included in either of the files here:<br>
> ><br>
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mvs380/files/hercules380/Hercule=
s-380<br>
> > %20v3.07-5.0/<br>
> ><br>
> > Look for hercules*.txt.<br>
> ><br>
> > > and on which version of Hercules am I required to apply this=
patch?<br>
> ><br>
> > It needs to be applied against 3.07, which can be found here:<br>
> ><br>
> > https://web.archive.org/web/20191012122349/http://www.hercules-39=
0.org<br>
> > /<br>
> ><br>
> > The hercules-390.org site is down at the moment, so I provided th=
e<br>
> > archive.org snapshot instead.<br>
> ><br>
> > BFN. Paul.<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> Posted by: Vince Coen <[email protected]><br>
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