Re: Fullscreen application Specs

Paul

One more question

Is the "C" code that is generated RE-ENTRANT and RE-USABLE
That is a requirement for the GCIC multi tasking environment.

It's not pseudo Multi-tasking but real Multi-tasking and everything has to be RE-entrant as well as Re-usable

Roc




--- In [email protected], "Rocky" <rocsystems@...> wrote:
>
> Hey ---
>  
> After all the effort you invested in chats - I picked the esiest possible
> task -
>  
> Now output - no Input - just a simple sort routine of a structure/array that
> already exists. That reall should n' take you more than an hour of coding.
>  
> I don't need you to teach me "C"
> I need you to help me thru the first two - four days of writing the first
> program and integrating it into GCIC.
>  
> I can certainly do it on my own but I am really involved right now with
> getting my BETA out - So taking those two - four days days to RTFM is not
> feasible right now. It would be like putting everything I am doing on hold.
>  
> Paul - I threw out the challenge - It would have been actually nice  change
> for you to be on side of the "GOOD GUYS"  :-)
>  
> I will get to it eventually - Maybe not for this task , which I can do in
> assembler  in three hours or less including all the screen interfaces and
> maps but eventually.
>  
> Just thought that this was the IDEAL function to test the "C" interface
> with. Samll and Compact.
>  
> YOU hvae refused the CHALLENGE -
> Ok 
>  
> No hard feelings.
>  
> ROC
> 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> kerravon86
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 02:21 
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [H390-VM] Re: Fullscreen application Specs
> 
> 
>   
> 
> --- In [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rocky"
> <rocsystems@> wrote:
> >
> > The sort for the flist would be great --- But 
> > not going to happen very fast unless you volunteer 
> > to write it with me in "C"...
> > 
> > Nice easy routine for you in "C" and I will learn 
> > from the experience.
> 
> You will not learn how to program in C by watching
> me program in C. I thought you already knew how
> to program in C, anyway? I didn't offer to teach
> you the C language, I offered to assist you in 
> switching an existing knowledge of C to the 
> mainframe.
> 
> Sorting is something that can be written in
> standard C.
> 
> Regardless, what you need is already written.
> 
> Cut and paste qsort() from here:
> 
> http://pdos.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pdos/pdos/pdpclib/stdlib.c?view=marku
> p
> 
> I wouldn't have started with this personally,
> since qsort is a general-purpose function
> that calls another function. So by its nature
> it looks complicated. And also it is recursive,
> so R13 will need to point to an even bigger
> "save area" than usual.
> 
> I would have started with a simple function, as
> I suggested long ago. 
> 
> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/H390-VM/message/7375
> 
> But if you want to wade into the deep end 
> immediately, that's up to you. It should work, 
> and if you look at that qsort code, it is all 
> written in standard C, so if you already know 
> C, and are happy using C, as you said you did 
> and were, you should recognize the code. Except 
> for the word __PDPCLIB_API__. You won't 
> recognize that. Just delete that (one word). I 
> don't like that polluting the code either, but 
> someone else needed it for their environment, 
> so I have to live with it.
> 
> > Will you pick up the challenge. I promise to 
> > work with you and build all the interfaces 
> > that you need and the routine should take you 
> > an hour to write.
> > 
> > I will probably take me a day to build the interface.
> 
> If you did what I suggested long ago:
> 
> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/H390-VM/message/7375
> 
> it would take less than 30 minutes total, spread 
> over 3 10-minute sessions, to get C operational in
> your existing environment.
> 
> That daunting prospect, and various other
> things (that mostly aren't true) are what you
> cited as the barrier to using C. I can get
> you over those barriers. That is what I
> offered to do. Nothing more, nothing less.
> 
> If the actual barrier is that your knowledge
> of C is so poor that you don't actually know
> how to write a simple sort in C, or even
> call qsort, then that is the barrier to 
> overcome first, and that knowledge will
> have to come from someone other than me, e.g.
> a programming course at university (doesn't
> matter if the course uses Unix, or MSDOS,
> it's the same language). Only then can I 
> assist in transferring that knowledge to the
> mainframe (the only thing I offered to do).
> 
> There is no point writing in C if you don't
> actually know C. It will be unmaintainable.
> Just stick with assembler if that's the
> case.
> 
> On the other hand, if you know C, it should
> take 30 minutes to get C operational, just as
> I said long ago:
> 
> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/H390-VM/message/7375
> 
> and I was willing to stand by those words,
> which is why I said:
> 
> "If the above doesn't work exactly like I said it
> would, post the results here, including the
> assembler code, and I'll diagnose."
> 
> and getting qsort working after that should only
> be another 30 minutes (I'm a bit nervous as to
> whether your R13 will point to a big enough
> buffer).
> 
> Compare that to the man-years of effort it took
> me to get a native C compiler on your VM system.
> And others spent man-months on it too. I
> personally started working on it about 15 years
> ago.
> 
> There are circumstances where I am happy to
> write or fix utilities for people, but they
> are in circumstances where I can see that I
> can save someone a lot of time and
> aggravation.
> 
> Not circumstances where someone says they want
> to write in C, says they are willing to spend
> a day getting it working (even though I expect
> that 30 minutes is sufficient), and then I post 
> the code required, and the steps required, and
> not even 30 minutes is spent, nevermind 1 day, 
> and then that person comes back and accuses me 
> of not walking the walk and just saying RTFM.
> 
> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/H390-VM/message/7375
> 
> Under those circumstances, you just get sent
> back to the original message, and asked to
> live up to what YOU PROMISED to do but failed
> to deliver on YOUR PROMISES:
> 
> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/H390-VM/message/7375
> 
> ie 1 man-day spent on testing C.
> 
> An apology for the lies about saying to RTFM and
> not delivering what I promised myself wouldn't go
> astray either, but I can live without that, as
> I've learned that waiting for justice is like
> waiting for NATO to topple all of Israel's enemies,
> or waiting for France to protect Iraqi women from
> being raped by Uday. Ain't gunna happen, no matter
> how outrageous that may seem.
> 
> BFN. Paul.
>