RE: TK Added Value Items

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Wade [mailto:g4ugm-/rAkYNWUBEC+PENguQupYdBc4/[email protected]] 
> Sent: 23 April 2010 08:56
> To: '[email protected]'
> Subject: RE: [turnkey-mvs] TK Added Value Items
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gerhard 
> Postpischil
> > Sent: 23 April 2010 01:24
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [turnkey-mvs] TK Added Value Items
> > 
> > 
> > On 4/22/2010 3:43 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> > > I'm not sure what the desired result of such support is. If
> > you want
> > > actually functionality, just use a TN3270 on the desktop
> > platform of
> > > your choice. If you want authenticity, use a real 327x, perhaps
> > > connected via a token-ring 3174. Or use a line-mode ASCII 
> terminal 
> > > connected via the 270x support.
> > 
> > I've considered the latter, but it's on my to-do list at a very
> > low priority.
> > 
> > The primary advantage of using the protocol converter is that it
> > provides ASCII CRT support with existing software, whereas the 
> > TWX attach mode has neither screen services nor available 
> > software. The other advantage is that it allows the use of 
> > hardware tabs, which makes program entry much easier. Since I 
> > still don't have a working Wylbur (chokes on ASM XF, and 804s on 
> > Tachyon), this would be a nice alternative.
> > 
> 
> Gerhard,
> 
> I can't see any point in doing 7171 support as if you have a 
> LINUX, Solaris or BSD box then you can get ASCII CRT support 
> via TN3270. If you look at my pics in the VM/370 group:-
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H390-VM/photos/album/1040167207/pic/list
> 
> You can see my TeleVideo Personal Terminal (TV/PT) connected 
> as a 3270 to VM/370 via my Sparc U60. The TV/PT connects 
> directly to one of the serial ports on the U60 and runs a "C" 
> shell so I have VI and EMACS on the U60. It also runs C3270 
> to connect to Hercules running on my Windows/XP box. I think 
> I get 14 PF keys (I must admit I don't use it often, the 
> screen on the TV/PT is small and the keyboard makes a PET 
> keyboard look usable) "hardware" TAB etc. 
> 
> I have used a real 7171 and I would say the above gives 
> almost exactly the same functionality and feel. For example 
> with the above set-up as the TV/PT has only a limited set of 
> control codes I had to create new TERMCAP and TERMINFO 
> entries for it, and I use a custom keyboard map in C3270. I 
> recall that to do the same on a 7171 required a special 
> program on an IBM PC/XT (or was it an AT) that extracted 
> config files from the 7171.
> 
> Given this I can't see any point in adding 7171 or Yale ASCII 
> support to Hercules. Perhaps it would be worth providing a 
> cook book for how to set this up, and seeing if it could be 
> made to work in Windows. I don't see why it couldn't be made 
> to work on Windows using one of the many UNIX for Windows 
> tool sets, such as CYGWIN, but as I have a SparcStation20 and 
> a SparcU60 I haven't really bothered. In fact if it won't 
> work on Windows directly I could probably produce a 7171/Yale 
> Ascii VMWare appliance that would run under the VMWare 
> player/or the VMWare server and which would give the same 
> sort of function. Given that no "X" windows is needed this 
> could be a very light VM.....
> 

Having just done some work on running Linux in a VM I see that serial lines
can be attached to VMWare Workstation so that work fine for Windows...

> > 
> > 
> > Gerhard Postpischil
> > Bradford, VT
> > 
> > 
> 
> Dave
> G4UGM
> Illegitimi Non Carborundum
>