Re: State of Turnkey
"halfmeg" <[email protected]> Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:57:24 -0000
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> Simon Williams wrote:
> > halfmeg wrote:
> >> Simon Williams wrote:
><snip>=20
DASDLOAD parms did change since TK3 CD created in 2002.
> The only ones I didn't run were those that removed accepted PTFs
> and, predicatably for am IT professional, the ones that took
> snapshots of the system!
Sounds about right for TK3 from scratch.
> >> Everything worked reasonably well, although I had not got
> >> startrek to work under TSO, it just told me it didn't exist!
><snip>
> It was under JES2 on the initial turnkey system that startrek
> couldn't be found!
StarTrek ( SUPRTREK ) was not in original TK3. It was added later.
> >> Once I had loaded the updates (just unzip the downloaded archive
> >> into the directory containing conf, dasd, etc.),
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> > Hmmm, not correct. TK3UPD is a self contained environment.
> > Unzipping it into already populated directories may give
> > unpredictable results.
> I can't see why it should, given that entire DASD images would be
> overwritten, except in the case of changes in shadow files where the
> base image was overwritten and the shadow file contain updates to
> the original. I don't think I had shadow files on the images
> replaced by the update, but I can't be sure. I will try using the
> update as a standalone system and then add the other stuff back in
> and see what happens!
Most likely it shouldn't, however if one uses a Hercules configuration file=
which is not the one which goes with the overlay, bad things may happen. =
One instance was an individual was getting JES2 failure due to missing JES2=
PARMS. They are on one of the JES2 shadow files and either he used an inc=
orrect configuration file or dropped the shadow images somewhere along the =
line.
> >> I IPL'd the emulator and (after some very scary messages during
> >> the initial JES2 startup and subsequent failure!) managed to do a
> >> cold start of JES2 and all looked reasonably good.
> >Sounds like normal initial JES2 start, thought that was mentioned
> > in the Turnkey Cookbook but don't see it currently.
> The messages weren't the ones in the Cookbook, very different, but a
> cold start sorted them out with no problem. It could have been to
> do with confusion resulting from me updating an existing system
> rather than IPL'ing the update standalone.
Remember now that initial JES2 failure is expected and then a COLD start ha=
s to be performed due to the way I erased the SPOOL to distribute minimum s=
ize. This is not documented in the Cookbook but on a forum post for TK3SU1=
IIRC.
> >> One point I did note was that CMD1 abends S106 on every startup.
=20
> >Under JES2 or JES3 ? Either way possible side effect of mixing
> > system built previously with TK3UPD. If JES3 only, then possible
> > parmlib or memory size issue.
> Same result under both JES3 and JES2, but I'll let you know once
> I've attempted a standalone IPL of the update.
Just laid out a fresh TK3UPD and CMD1 was fine. Maybe due to your situatio=
n of DASD images. Don't know.
><snip>
> >Which Hercules versions have you used and did one in particular
> > permit using 2 CPUs without many problems?
> Exactly the same build 3.07 rarely gave me a problem under standard
> Turnkey 3, but got it consistently under the update.=EF=BF=BD I will repo=
rt
> back after I try the update stand alone.
Thanks,
><snip>
> >> It was also complaining about a missing printer at 030F and a
> >> missing console on 00C6.
> >30F is known issue, 0C6 is something which I don't recall at all.
=20
> 0C6 is defined as the JES3 console!!!!
Still don't remember 0C6 as anything which stands out, but my brain has bee=
n on sabbatical for a while. Did define a JES3 console somewhere and check=
ed to make sure it worked. No idea why 0C6 got selected for the honor at p=
resent.
><snip>
> >> All terminals are connected before IPL, that is telnet x 2 for
> >> devices 0009 and 001F and X3270 x 6 for devices 0010, 0011, 00C0,
> >> 00C1, 00C2 and 00C6.
> >> Once I had done this, JES3 started with no problems.
Please tell me you didn't have to have them all operational to IPL.=20=20
Should only be 1, 010. 0C0 needed for TSO and eventually 0C6 so JES3 conso=
le doesn't halt system when buffer full. It's been a while so may have it =
a little off.
><snip>
> although I'm not sure that it would if the problems I am having are
> down to replacing existing DASD images with those I on the update
> and mixing those in with images from the existing system. As I said
> earlier, my system is very much an experimental one at present
><snip>
> I think I will starrt again using TK3UPD as the base. I still have
> all the control files I set up to create my extra DASD and the rest
> is just configuration editting.
> I'll report back in a couple of days.
Another thing which occurs to me is the movement of some DASD to new device=
addresses. This took place to fit into the VM scheme yet the suffix numbe=
rs on the DASD files remained as they were originally named. It might look=
a little strange and confusing but is ok. What isn't ok is attaching a de=
vice on the wrong device address for which it isn't genned. IE, attaching =
a 3350 on a 3380 UCB, 3330 on 3350 UCB or similar. Not that you have done =
this, but I have and got very strange results and much scratching of head u=
ntil I realized what had happened.
Phil
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<p>> Simon Williams wrote:<br>
<br>
> > halfmeg wrote:<br>
<br>
> >> Simon Williams wrote:<br>
<br>
><snip> <br>
<br>
DASDLOAD parms did change since TK3 CD created in 2002.<br>
<br>
> The only ones I didn't run were those that removed accepted PTFs<br>
> and, predicatably for am IT professional, the ones that took<br>
> snapshots of the system!<br>
<br>
Sounds about right for TK3 from scratch.<br>
<br>
> >> Everything worked reasonably well, although I had not got<br>
> >> startrek to work under TSO, it just told me it didn't exist!<=
br>
<br>
><snip><br>
<br>
> It was under JES2 on the initial turnkey system that startrek<br>
> couldn't be found!<br>
<br>
StarTrek ( SUPRTREK ) was not in original TK3. It was added later.<br>
<br>
> >> Once I had loaded the updates (just unzip the downloaded arch=
ive<br>
> >> into the directory containing conf, dasd, etc.),<br>
<br>
> > Hmmm, not correct. TK3UPD is a self contained environment.<br>
> > Unzipping it into already populated directories may give<br>
> > unpredictable results.<br>
<br>
> I can't see why it should, given that entire DASD images would be<br>
> overwritten, except in the case of changes in shadow files where the<b=
r>
> base image was overwritten and the shadow file contain updates to<br>
> the original. I don't think I had shadow files on the images<br>
> replaced by the update, but I can't be sure. I will try using the<br>
> update as a standalone system and then add the other stuff back in<br>
> and see what happens!<br>
<br>
Most likely it shouldn't, however if one uses a Hercules configuration file=
which is not the one which goes with the overlay, bad things may happen. =
One instance was an individual was getting JES2 failure due to missing JES2=
PARMS. They are on one of the JES2 shadow files and either he used an inc=
orrect configuration file or dropped the shadow images somewhere along the =
line.<br>
<br>
> >> I IPL'd the emulator and (after some very scary messages duri=
ng<br>
> >> the initial JES2 startup and subsequent failure!) managed to =
do a<br>
> >> cold start of JES2 and all looked reasonably good.<br>
<br>
> >Sounds like normal initial JES2 start, thought that was mentioned<=
br>
> > in the Turnkey Cookbook but don't see it currently.<br>
<br>
> The messages weren't the ones in the Cookbook, very different, but a<b=
r>
> cold start sorted them out with no problem. It could have been to<br>
> do with confusion resulting from me updating an existing system<br>
> rather than IPL'ing the update standalone.<br>
<br>
Remember now that initial JES2 failure is expected and then a COLD start ha=
s to be performed due to the way I erased the SPOOL to distribute minimum s=
ize. This is not documented in the Cookbook but on a forum post for TK3SU1=
IIRC.<br>
<br>
> >> One point I did note was that CMD1 abends S106 on every start=
up.<br>
<br>
> >Under JES2 or JES3 ? Either way possible side effect of mixing<br>
> > system built previously with TK3UPD. If JES3 only, then possible<=
br>
> > parmlib or memory size issue.<br>
<br>
> Same result under both JES3 and JES2, but I'll let you know once<br>
> I've attempted a standalone IPL of the update.<br>
<br>
Just laid out a fresh TK3UPD and CMD1 was fine. Maybe due to your situatio=
n of DASD images. Don't know.<br>
<br>
><snip><br>
<br>
> >Which Hercules versions have you used and did one in particular<br=
>
> > permit using 2 CPUs without many problems?<br>
<br>
> Exactly the same build 3.07 rarely gave me a problem under standard<br=
>
> Turnkey 3, but got it consistently under the update.=EF=BF=BD I will r=
eport<br>
> back after I try the update stand alone.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
><snip><br>
<br>
> >> It was also complaining about a missing printer at 030F and a=
<br>
> >> missing console on 00C6.<br>
<br>
> >30F is known issue, 0C6 is something which I don't recall at all.<=
br>
<br>
> 0C6 is defined as the JES3 console!!!!<br>
<br>
Still don't remember 0C6 as anything which stands out, but my brain has bee=
n on sabbatical for a while. Did define a JES3 console somewhere and check=
ed to make sure it worked. No idea why 0C6 got selected for the honor at p=
resent.<br>
<br>
><snip><br>
<br>
> >> All terminals are connected before IPL, that is telnet x 2 fo=
r<br>
> >> devices 0009 and 001F and X3270 x 6 for devices 0010, 0011, 0=
0C0,<br>
> >> 00C1, 00C2 and 00C6.<br>
> >> Once I had done this, JES3 started with no problems.<br>
<br>
Please tell me you didn't have to have them all operational to IPL. <br>
Should only be 1, 010. 0C0 needed for TSO and eventually 0C6 so JES3 conso=
le doesn't halt system when buffer full. It's been a while so may have it =
a little off.<br>
<br>
><snip><br>
<br>
> although I'm not sure that it would if the problems I am having are<br=
>
> down to replacing existing DASD images with those I on the update<br>
> and mixing those in with images from the existing system. As I said<b=
r>
> earlier, my system is very much an experimental one at present<br>
<br>
><snip><br>
<br>
> I think I will starrt again using TK3UPD as the base. I still have<b=
r>
> all the control files I set up to create my extra DASD and the rest<br=
>
> is just configuration editting.<br>
<br>
> I'll report back in a couple of days.<br>
<br>
Another thing which occurs to me is the movement of some DASD to new device=
addresses. This took place to fit into the VM scheme yet the suffix numbe=
rs on the DASD files remained as they were originally named. It might look=
a little strange and confusing but is ok. What isn't ok is attaching a de=
vice on the wrong device address for which it isn't genned. IE, attaching =
a 3350 on a 3380 UCB, 3330 on 3350 UCB or similar. Not that you have done =
this, but I have and got very strange results and much scratching of head u=
ntil I realized what had happened.<br>
<br>
Phil<br>
<br>
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