Re: State of Turnkey
"Kevin Leonard" <kl_j76-/[email protected]> Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:00:35 -0000
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Simon:
> Okay, busy night last night and this morning, but I have
> reinstalled the Turnkey 3 Update and am happy to report that
> everything is looking a lot healthier than after my first attempt!
Congratulations, and thanks for the detailed report on what you've
done. It's hard to put this stuff away, isn't it? When things
aren't working, you get so frustrated that you don't want to stop
until you've figured out what's wrong. When things start to work
right, you don't want to stop because you're having so much fun.
Let us know about anything you encounter using JES3. Up to this
point, we really haven't had an experienced JES3 person exercising
the JES3 environment. I've been filling that role by default; I'm a
retired JES2 system programmer who got fascinated by JES3. Whatever
is broken, I probably had something to do with us. When you find
something that doesn't work, or have a suggestion on how we could
do it better, let us know. Hercules is a learning experience for
all of us.
The Turnkey 4 beta effort has had its ups and downs, as people have
real-life commitments that take priority over Hercules. In its more
active moments, the TK4 project has made some progress with respect
to JES3. The "Files" section of the TK4 beta forum:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-tk4-beta/
has quite a few JES3-related files. It's been so long, though,
that I'm not absolutely sure of the current state of anything.
My personal JES3 environment has probably seen quite a bit of
changes since the last time I used it to build a prototype Turnkey
environment. When we get back to TK4 JES3, I think I'm probably
going to have to start over and rebuild everything from scratch
to make sure I don't miss anything.
> I added a 3270 at 00C6 (the JES3 console as I knew from my
> previous experience) and a 1403 at 030F (again I knew from
> previous experience JES3 would look for it).
We did, I think, pretty much decide that the JES3 display console
is supposed to be at 014. The existing TK3 system didn't have a
UCB there, so we ended up borrowing one of the VTAM 3277 addresses.
The TK3 update system I'm looking at does have 014; if yours does,
you could move the JES3 console from 0C6 to 014.
Addresses for the MLOG printer and JES3 procedure "JES3OUT"
printer have gotten moved around by non-JES3 requirements. I
think I finally gave up trying to use the 30x range; in my personal
JES3 system, I've moved MLOG to 31E and JES3OUT to 31F, but those
assignments have never been implemented in the TK system and the
TK3 update system I'm looking at doesn't have UCBs generated for
those devices. Until that happens, 30F is probably going to have
to do.
If you set your JES3 display console to "*DELAY,0" and let the
screen fill up, you may experience an abend200 in JES3 because
the console services processor forgets to restore a register
before trying to write the "DISPLAY HALTED" message. The fix
is a usermod:
http://www.j76.org/vs2/tiat803.zip
I don't know if you've gotten far enough to think about the
possibilities of a multi-system JES3 complex. Unfortunately,
right now Hercules CTC support isn't robust enough to meet JES3
requirements. That's on the list of desirable features to add,
and has been for a while. I have built a functional complex using
guest machines under VM with JES3 global, JES3 local and ASP real
main, so when Hercules supports it we can do it.
> Life is good in geek heaven!
Awesome. Have a good time.
--=20
Kevin
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<p>Simon:<br>
<br>
> Okay, busy night last night and this morning, but I have<br>
> reinstalled the Turnkey 3 Update and am happy to report that<br>
> everything is looking a lot healthier than after my first attempt!<br>
<br>
Congratulations, and thanks for the detailed report on what you've<br>
done. It's hard to put this stuff away, isn't it? When things<br>
aren't working, you get so frustrated that you don't want to stop<br>
until you've figured out what's wrong. When things start to work<br>
right, you don't want to stop because you're having so much fun.<br>
<br>
Let us know about anything you encounter using JES3. Up to this<br>
point, we really haven't had an experienced JES3 person exercising<br>
the JES3 environment. I've been filling that role by default; I'm a<br>
retired JES2 system programmer who got fascinated by JES3. Whatever<br>
is broken, I probably had something to do with us. When you find<br>
something that doesn't work, or have a suggestion on how we could<br>
do it better, let us know. Hercules is a learning experience for<br>
all of us.<br>
<br>
The Turnkey 4 beta effort has had its ups and downs, as people have<br>
real-life commitments that take priority over Hercules. In its more<br>
active moments, the TK4 project has made some progress with respect<br>
to JES3. The "Files" section of the TK4 beta forum:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-tk4-beta/">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-tk4-beta/</a><br>
<br>
has quite a few JES3-related files. It's been so long, though,<br>
that I'm not absolutely sure of the current state of anything.<br>
My personal JES3 environment has probably seen quite a bit of<br>
changes since the last time I used it to build a prototype Turnkey<br>
environment. When we get back to TK4 JES3, I think I'm probably<br>
going to have to start over and rebuild everything from scratch<br>
to make sure I don't miss anything.<br>
<br>
> I added a 3270 at 00C6 (the JES3 console as I knew from my<br>
> previous experience) and a 1403 at 030F (again I knew from<br>
> previous experience JES3 would look for it).<br>
<br>
We did, I think, pretty much decide that the JES3 display console<br>
is supposed to be at 014. The existing TK3 system didn't have a<br>
UCB there, so we ended up borrowing one of the VTAM 3277 addresses.<br>
The TK3 update system I'm looking at does have 014; if yours does,<br>
you could move the JES3 console from 0C6 to 014.<br>
<br>
Addresses for the MLOG printer and JES3 procedure "JES3OUT"<br>
printer have gotten moved around by non-JES3 requirements. I<br>
think I finally gave up trying to use the 30x range; in my personal<br>
JES3 system, I've moved MLOG to 31E and JES3OUT to 31F, but those<br>
assignments have never been implemented in the TK system and the<br>
TK3 update system I'm looking at doesn't have UCBs generated for<br>
those devices. Until that happens, 30F is probably going to have<br>
to do.<br>
<br>
If you set your JES3 display console to "*DELAY,0" and let the<br>
screen fill up, you may experience an abend200 in JES3 because<br>
the console services processor forgets to restore a register<br>
before trying to write the "DISPLAY HALTED" message. The fix<br>
is a usermod:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.j76.org/vs2/tiat803.zip">http://www.j76.org/vs2/tiat803.zip</a><br>
<br>
I don't know if you've gotten far enough to think about the<br>
possibilities of a multi-system JES3 complex. Unfortunately,<br>
right now Hercules CTC support isn't robust enough to meet JES3<br>
requirements. That's on the list of desirable features to add,<br>
and has been for a while. I have built a functional complex using<br>
guest machines under VM with JES3 global, JES3 local and ASP real<br>
main, so when Hercules supports it we can do it.<br>
<br>
> Life is good in geek heaven!<br>
<br>
Awesome. Have a good time.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Kevin<br>
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