Re: Odp: Odp: Fwd: [GitHub] ChatGPT Connector is requesting updated permissions
Michał Trojnara via Opensc-devel <[email protected]> Mon, 21 Jul 2025 12:53:50 +0200
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Hi Alex,
On 7/21/25 10:45 AM, Alexander Burke via Opensc-devel wrote:
> You can't legally do that, because the code comes from (1) a program
> you did not write, which (2) was trained on code written (and
> copyrighted) by others which it is regurgitating, which is also likely
> to be licensed differently.
Ad 1. You could argue the same about any output of non-AI code
generators and/or compilers. I respectfully disagree. I came up with the
prompt, and I retain intellectual property rights to the generated code.
Ad 2. I myself was trained using code written (and copyrighted) by
others. I tend to reuse good programming patterns I have seen before.
This is how learning works. AI is no different. There is no such thing
as 100% originality. You are always inspired by, and you always reuse,
thoughts previously expressed by other people.
> This is what the Wikimedia Foundation has to say about it:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Large_language_models_and_copyright
Isn't it better to use a more specific source, such as
https://openai.com/policies/terms-of-use/ ?
/As between you and OpenAI, and to the extent permitted by applicable
law, you (a) retain your ownership rights in Input and (b) own the
Output. We hereby assign to you all our right, title, and interest, if
any, in and to Output. /
> This is a legal and technical minefield and I encourage you, and the
> project, to obtain legal advice before using this "tool".
Well, life is a legal, technical, and emotional minefield. Common sense
helps, though.
I understand that the legal status of AI-generated code is still under
debate, and interpretations may vary across jurisdictions. While I am
confident in my approach, I remain open to further discussion and will
reconsider my position if authoritative legal guidance becomes available.
Regardless of how the code is generated, I ensure that all contributions
are diligently reviewed for license compatibility and compliance with
project policies. I believe that maintaining these standards is
essential for the integrity and sustainability of the project.
Have a nice day,
Mike
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<p>Hi Alex,<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/21/25 10:45 AM, Alexander Burke
via Opensc-devel wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:[email protected]">
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<div style="font-family: sans-serif;"> <span dir="ltr"
style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">You can't legally do
that, because the code comes from (1) a program you did not
write, which (2) was trained on code written (and copyrighted)
by others which it is regurgitating, which is also likely to
be licensed differently.</span></div>
</blockquote>
<p>Ad 1. You could argue the same about any output of non-AI code
generators and/or compilers. I respectfully disagree. I came up
with the prompt, and I retain intellectual property rights to the
generated code.</p>
<p>Ad 2. I myself was trained using code written (and copyrighted)
by others. I tend to reuse good programming patterns I have seen
before. This is how learning works. AI is no different. There is
no such thing as 100% originality. You are always inspired by, and
you always reuse, thoughts previously expressed by other people.</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:[email protected]">
<div style="font-family: sans-serif;"><span dir="ltr"
style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">This is what the
Wikimedia Foundation has to say about it:</span> <br>
<span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Large_language_models_and_copyright">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Large_language_models_and_copyright</a></span></div>
</blockquote>
<p>Isn't it better to use a more specific source, such as
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://openai.com/policies/terms-of-use/">https://openai.com/policies/terms-of-use/</a> ?<br>
</p>
<p><i>As between you and OpenAI, and to the extent permitted by
applicable law, you (a) retain your ownership rights in Input
and (b) own the Output. We hereby assign to you all our right,
title, and interest, if any, in and to Output. </i><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:[email protected]">
<div style="font-family: sans-serif;"> <span dir="ltr"
style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">This is a legal and
technical minefield and I encourage you, and the project, to
obtain legal advice before using this "tool".</span></div>
</blockquote>
<p>Well, life is a legal, technical, and emotional minefield. Common
sense helps, though.</p>
<p data-start="79" data-end="405">I understand that the legal status
of AI-generated code is still under debate, and interpretations
may vary across jurisdictions. While I am confident in my
approach, I remain open to further discussion and will reconsider
my position if authoritative legal guidance becomes available.</p>
<p data-start="79" data-end="405">
Regardless of how the code is generated, I ensure that all
contributions are diligently reviewed for license compatibility
and compliance with project policies. I believe that maintaining
these standards is essential for the integrity and sustainability
of the project.</p>
<p></p>
<p>Have a nice day,<br>
Mike</p>
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