Re: Flame Rules Proposal (Respond With Comments)

I don’t think any set of rules can precisely distinguish between acceptable and unacceptable posts. It isn’t just that “A hair perhaps divides the false and true”; in cases like this, it’s a shifting cloud.

I think the procedure, when a user contributes objectionable posts, should start with an administrator sending a warning notice to the offender, publicly on the list, warning that a repeat of language like (whatever it is) would result in banishment from the list. As long as the warning is public, there is an opportunity for the user community to decide whether the posts are in fact objectionable.

I would suggest a sticky post with the following structure:

1. A statement of the purpose of the forum.

2. A disclaimer of what the community can and cannot do, such as that everybody is part time and unpaid, the project is stuck in gcc, etc.

3. A statement of what posts are desired and acceptable: questions, answers, comments, etc.

4. A statement of what is not acceptable, like “personally derogatory,” “generally offensive,” etc.

5. A statement of procedure as described above.

BTW I think “jb” has some valid points, though his wording doesn't invite rational response. He seems to be unaware (because nobody said it explicitly) that unless a change is submitted through git, it’s not likely to happen. And learning how to use git is a high hurdle (which I, for one, haven’t been able to get over).

> On Aug 5, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Frank Trampe <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I do think that it's important to have high-minded general principles, but I want to have a set of rules that can function on the per-message level so as to facilitate per-message moderation.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> On Fri 2016-08-05 08:04:54 -0400, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote:
> 
> > Instead of starting of with the worst offenses, I would start with the
> > positive bits for this, e.g., this bit:
> >
> >   The FontForge list is for productive discussion of issues relating to
> >   FontForge, computer typography, and typography in general.
> >
> > and this bit:
> >
> >   the list must provide a safe or at least neutral (non-hostile)
> >   environment in order to support a healthy exchange of ideas.
> >
> > Also, I'm not sure why the FontForge list would allow for hate speech
> > threads at all; even marked with a special marker, the subject lines
> > would still appear in everyone's inboxes.
> >
> > You could also choose to have a more vague set of rules and leave the
> > obviously illegal things out entirely. Something like:
> >
> >   We want to have a productive discussion here, so be civil. Continued
> >   behavior that is deemed to be counter-productive by the lists admins
> >   may lead to the offender being blocked from this mailing list.
> 
> fwiw, i think Matijs is on the right track here.  An effective code of
> conduct for the mailing list would set out guidelines about the purpose
> of the list and how to use it well, not to wade into legal struggles or
> to stake out any particular geopolitical turf.
> 
> If you want to call out any particular forms of bad behavior, it could
> be a simple list like "Continued abusive, insulting, off-topic, or
> otherwise counter-productive mails (as judged by the list admins) may
> lead..."
> 
> Regards,
> 
>      --dkg
> 
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