Re: Latest Release crashing - a lot.

Ben Griffin <[email protected]> Tue, 6 Aug 2019 18:09:10 +0100
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Haha- I know, I know.
I was just saying I cannot play with / use  FF in the office=E2=80=A6 I =
meant no offence, and I certainly wouldn=E2=80=99t expect financial gain =
from my activities with FF!

> On 6 Aug 2019, at 16:58, Skef Iterum <[email protected]> wrote:
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> What a coincidence=E2=80=94I don't get paid to fix bugs in FontForge =
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> Skef
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> On 8/6/19 5:36 AM, Ben Griffin wrote:
>>  (I don't get paid to use FF!).
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>> -B.
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>>> On 6 Aug 2019, at 07:38, Skef Iterum <[email protected]> =
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> In your experience are these things that have changed since the =
previous release or did you switch from an earlier one?=20
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>>> Skef
>>>=20
>>> On 8/5/19 11:29 PM, Ben Griffin wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>=20
>>>> So there's a lot of crashes with the latest FF release on Mac OS X =
(10.14.6)
>>>> The crash seems to be within some call stack of libPango - the =
actual trace is at home, so I will post it later.
>>>>=20
>>>> There's also a persistent issue with focus on overlapping windows - =
it may be an x-windows thing but the front window and the active window =
are not always the same in font-forge, which often leads to strange =
behaviours - a common issue I have faced is when my active window is =
behind the the front window and I inadvertently open a menu/submenu =
which sometimes causes the application to crash.
>>>>=20
>>>> Another issue is that when there's a deep dependency tree, the =
source glyph becomes very slow to edit, as it seems all the dependencies =
are being updated on each edit. It would be awesome if I could turn =
background updating off - my workaround is to have a proxy dependent =
glyph which I disconnect from the master glyph - but it is a bit of a =
headache to have to map (in the current case) 30 or so masters through =
proxies..
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use &nbsp;FF in the office=E2=80=A6 I meant no offence, and I certainly =
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FF!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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6 Aug 2019, at 16:58, Skef Iterum &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
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      <pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D""> (I don't get paid to use =
FF!).

-B.


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        <pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">On 6 Aug 2019, at 07:38, =
Skef Iterum <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
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In your experience are these things that have changed since the previous =
release or did you switch from an earlier one?=20

Skef

On 8/5/19 11:29 PM, Ben Griffin wrote:
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          <pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">Hi,

So there's a lot of crashes with the latest FF release on Mac OS X =
(10.14.6)
The crash seems to be within some call stack of libPango - the actual =
trace is at home, so I will post it later.

There's also a persistent issue with focus on overlapping windows - it =
may be an x-windows thing but the front window and the active window are =
not always the same in font-forge, which often leads to strange =
behaviours - a common issue I have faced is when my active window is =
behind the the front window and I inadvertently open a menu/submenu =
which sometimes causes the application to crash.

Another issue is that when there's a deep dependency tree, the source =
glyph becomes very slow to edit, as it seems all the dependencies are =
being updated on each edit. It would be awesome if I could turn =
background updating off - my workaround is to have a proxy dependent =
glyph which I disconnect from the master glyph - but it is a bit of a =
headache to have to map (in the current case) 30 or so masters through =
proxies..





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