Re: How to update GSettings from DBus without X display ?

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 at 11:43:20 +0100, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> I'm trying to update a GSettings user configuration from a Debian
> package. In the case where I apply the update without an X session I
> always obtain an error from DConf due to inability for its to find an X
> display.

I would like to re-word the error message in libdbus that mentions X11,
because it misleads people like you into thinking that D-Bus requires
X11. However, I'm not sure what replacement would be better.

Here is the situation, in terms that are too verbose for an error message:

To run things that use D-Bus and act per-user, you need to be able to
connect to that user's D-Bus session bus. dconf is one example of
something that is per-user (it is not *my system's* settings, but *my*
settings), and it uses the D-Bus session bus to coordinate access to a
single configuration store by multiple writers.

There are basically five ways you can get a session bus:

* distro/system infrastructure can start one that is shared between
  all your concurrent login sessions while you log in to any graphical
  or non-graphical session, like systemd does when you have the
  dbus-user-session package installed

* distro infrastructure can start one while you log in to a graphical
  session (in Debian, /etc/X11/Xsession.d does this)

* your desktop environment infrastructure can start one while you log in;
  for example, I know GNOME does this if necessary, and KDE probably does
  the same thing (but it should never be necessary on Debian)

* you can start one yourself with dbus-run-session(1) or dbus-launch(1)

* if you are in X11 and something tries to use the session bus without
  you already having one, as a last resort, the D-Bus client library
  will try to launch a session bus by running dbus-launch(1) in a
  special mode

The error message you saw that mentioned X11 was because none of the
ways to get a session bus was applicable to your situation, and the last
one that was tried was the last one in that list (which, yes, relies
on X11).

I suspect that the real problem here is that you are trying to do things
that affect a particular user, from a context where you are not logged in
as that user. This is not something that can generally be supported.

If you explain the problem you are trying to solve, at a higher level,
then perhaps someone can describe how you can solve it. The solution
might involve D-Bus, but it might not.

If you are writing a Debian package's "maintainer scripts" (e.g.
postinst) and you find yourself writing things like

    su - user -c "gsettings set something.something something"

then please try to avoid doing that: it is not how GSettings or dconf are
meant to work, and it is not how maintainer scripts are meant to work
either. It is almost always inappropriate for system-level code to
run commands in a per-user context like that.

    S
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