Re: Using D-Bus for private IPC

On Mon, Sep 26 2022 at 10:39:07 AM -0700, Thiago Macieira 
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Monday, 26 September 2022 08:39:12 PDT Link Dupont wrote:
>>  Hello,
>> 
>>  I'm designing a service that exists as multiple separate processes.
>>  These processes communicate over IPC. I'm considering using D-Bus as
>>  that IPC, but I have a couple questions. I would like to isolate the
>>  processes onto a private bus. Is that a good idea, or does that go
>>  against the design principles of using a message bus for IPC?
> 
> Hello Link
> 
> It's not usual to do this, but not unheard of either. I believe the 
> AT-SPI
> accessibility protocol uses a private bus.
> 
> Note that if you only ever have 2 applications, you can avoid the bus
> completely and use D-Bus in peer-to-peer mode.

It's a one-to-many model, so I'm not sure peer-to-peer would work. One 
process is the server, and there are many processes that are clients.

>>  Is there
>>  some other recommended way of isolating services so that they are 
>> not
>>  easily interacted with except by authorized processes? Is there a
>>  better way to create a private bus session from within a systemd 
>> unit,
>>  or is 'ExecStart=dbus-run-session /usr/bin/myprog' the recommended 
>> way
>>  to start up a private bus?
> 
> I can't comment on systemd units.
> 
> The thing about "authorised" usually implies some type of security 
> and that
> can only be achieved with the system bus. You can poke sufficient 
> holes so only
> authorised applications can communicate with each other there. A 
> private bus
> works too, but it'll run in session mode allowing anyone who has the 
> correct
> UID to connect. So you secure this by simply having a socket address 
> that
> isn't known outside your small circle of applications, and it becomes 
> your
> problem to ensure it doesn't accidentally "leak" such as by storing 
> it in a
> world-readable file in /tmp.

I've been reading about the <policy> rules, and it seems like I might 
be able to run it on the system bus, with certain rules in place to 
permit messages only between the two destinations. Is something like 
this a valid rule?

<allow send_destination_prefix="org.foo.Agent" 
receive_destination="org.foo.Owner"/>

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> Thiago Macieira - thiago (AT) macieira.info - thiago (AT) kde.org
>    Software Architect - Intel DCAI Cloud Engineering
> 
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