Re: hey, remember the platform?

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On Friday 01 July 2005 03:45, Havoc Pennington wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 14:38 -0600, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> I'd much rather discuss whether you or Waldo or whoever thinks something
> is _right_ than whether you think there are people that will get all
> whiny about it.

i'm not concerned about /. people. i'm concerned about other developers, be=
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they KDE project members, third party developers or ISVs.

i regularly explain what FD.o is for or what the platform is for to these=20
people; it's a regular excercise for me. they don't grok what's happening=20
here, and they are precisely the ones we need to be groking it.

on the other side of that fence, i've also listened to people from other=20
projects who are very excited about FD.o go on about things that FD.o is=20
completely not about. e.g. creating standards to push other projects to ado=
pt=20
them.

the important realization here is that the FD.o vision is not being=20
communicated to the target audiences.

and btw, i really don't like being an ad hoc articulater of these concepts=
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because other than my occasional input here and my intense desire to see th=
is=20
process work, i do not represent any sort of vision creation or leadership=
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within fd.o.

> > so to shrug off FD.o's abismally poor public communications efforts as
> > not particularly important is short sighted. as you know (since i've
> > publicly stated it a few times now ;), i believe FD.o is currently on t=
he
> > tracks to underachievement.
>
> Here is my basic view.
>
>  1. freedesktop.org works the same way as most other open source
>     projects:

fd.o is not most other open source projects. most other open source project=
s=20
are scope-limited and concentrated on a product that is encapsulated within=
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it's boundaries of human endeavour. most other open source projects acrete=
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community around the core products, rather than acrete core products around=
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communities. fd.o is a _new type_ of project compared to the KDEs, GNOMEs,=
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Sambas and Linuxes of the world.

>  2. it's just not that complicated and not that scary

heh.. i agree with both points. simple and friendly things don't immediatel=
y=20
mean success however.

> I'm not doing a lot on freedesktop.org (or any coding at all these
> days), so I can't do a ton of stuff to address concerns - like rewording

hm... how many people ARE working on fd.o direction issues? is this one of =
the=20
wellheads of problems here? complete anarchy with no caretakers? if so, can=
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we convince some of the players out there in the industry to take fd.o a bi=
t=20
more seriously and task some talent on this?

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Aaron J. Seigo
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