Re: Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

Also a lurker. :-)

I suspect that a large part of the diversity of expectations is
generational - amusingly appropriate for this particular list.

Those of us who were using mail lists 50 years ago have a set of
expectations which doesn't match that of those who grew up using the world
wide web. Taking myself as an example...

* I assume everyone on a list knows who I am - or at least my name and
email address. If I participate actively, they will get to know lots of
other things.
* I don't expect a lot of features, like topical breakdowns, which might be
found on a forum.
* I assume that I have to handle my own subscription using the more or less
standard email interface.
* I also know that different listservs have slightly different conventions
for management, which I expect to find in a footer.

I'd venture to guess that anyone using a mail list rather than some more
recent comm channel, like a forum or chat interface, is doing so through
personal preference.

Charlie

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 10:28 AM Deborah Bennett <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Long time lurker here.
>
> Email list servers and which one gramps-users should use is a valid
> subject of discussion. However, I believe it would be prudent to open a new
> thread or move it into a smaller off line discussion with someone reporting
> back here to the larger list.
>
> As a veteran of several discussions like this (vi vs emacs comes to mind),
> I’d like to see fewer opinions like “I had a bad experience with xyz” and
> more like “that list server does not maintain good archives and the admin
> interface is clumsy”. I am seeing that different users have different
> expectations about what a list server should do, and their opinions about
> whether a list server is good or bad are colored by those expectations.
>
> And just for my personal side note, I am on a couple of groups.io  lists
> and I maintain one. For our purposes of general email with reasonable
> subscription mechanics, they are reliable and work fine.
>
> -deborah bennett
>
> Please update your contacts list with my new address [email protected]
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 18, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Peter Flynn <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On 18/09/2023 14:14, Nick Hall via Gramps-users wrote:
> >>> On 18/09/2023 09:38, Peter Flynn wrote:
> >>> I wonder what the "privacy reasons" were.
> >> I'm not sure.  When I go to the user management section it displays
> >> the message:
> >> ---
> >>> [...] it is no longer possible for project admins to view the
> >>> member emails of their mailing lists.
> >
> > Ambiguous: I wonder do they mean "email messages" or "email addresses"?
> >
> >>> The SourceForge mailinglist admin pages for your project will allow
> >>> you to remove a specific email address
> >
> > That sounds right...
> >
> >> Using the admin page to remove an email address always gives the same
> >> response:
> >> "If that email address was on the list, it has now been
> >> unsubscribed."
> >
> > ...except that it's clearly untrue wrt Ken's address.
> >
> >> This policy also makes migration to another provider difficult. The
> >> best we could do is announce the new list address in the old list.
> >
> > Yes, if you can't get a list of all subscribers, the game is up.
> >
> > However, their excuse:
> >
> >>> As a result of the latest electronic messaging and privacy
> >>> requirements around the world,
> >
> > sounds like they are using the GDPR as an excuse. Admins are permitted
> to see subject data, otherwise by now the entire planet's IT would have
> collapsed. I think sourceforge's worry is that they have no idea who the
> list admins are or what they would do. It's not the access that's the
> problem, it's the people having access :-)
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
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