Re: [release planning] Enable Zenodo before 7.8.6 and 8.0.0

Stefan Blumentrath <[email protected]> Tue, 25 May 2021 12:39:59 +0000
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Yes, this is the community I was talking about.
https://zenodo.org/communities/grass/<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.ou=
tlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fzenodo.org%2Fcommunities%2Fgrass%2F&data=3D0=
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wfjKbyvIwvCAgK5WtwzcShuAIO55c5j5A%3D&reserved=3D0>

Even if it has just one entry, the title is still GRASS GIS.
Maybe we could add a second one for the dev group / PSC. However, avoiding =
confusion by just having one real GRASS GIS community on Zenodo would be be=
tter also for user experience...

Pietro, any thought about the future of that Zenodo community?

Cheers
Stefan


From: Vaclav Petras <[email protected]>
Sent: tirsdag 25. mai 2021 03:07
To: Stefan Blumentrath <[email protected]>
Cc: Veronica Andreo <[email protected]>; Moritz Lennert <[email protected]=
orldonline.be>; grass-dev <[email protected]>; Peter L=F6we <peter.=
[email protected]>; Zambelli Pietro <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] [release planning] Enable Zenodo before 7.8.6 and =
8.0.0

Thanks everyone for the support.

I was able to identify some potential issues. Namely, the auto-generated me=
tadata on Zenodo does not seem to be that great and that includes basic thi=
ngs like title and license. How an author list will look is hard to say wit=
hout trying, but it is promised to be sensible. It seems that a lot of proj=
ects just solve this using a .zenodo.json configuration file which includes=
 this info, e.g. a full author list.

Although these metadata issues are certainly visible, a DOI will be generat=
ed and usable by itself in any case. Additionally, metadata can be edited m=
anually after the publishing/release. Finally, having .zenodo.json is doabl=
e (probably through CITATION.cff which would be good to have anyway). Thus,=
 I don't see this as a blocker, just as something to resolve on the way.

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 1:27 PM Stefan Blumentrath <Stefan.Blumentrath@nina=
.no<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

There is already a GRASS GIS community on Zenodo, managed by Pietro.

There are way more GRASS related records in zenodo than registered in that =
community. Wound probably be useful to register relevant entries in a GRASS=
 community...

There seems to be exactly n-1 GRASS-related records not in the community (w=
here n is all the GRASS-related records). Are we looking at the same one?

https://zenodo.org/communities/grass/<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.ou=
tlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fzenodo.org%2Fcommunities%2Fgrass%2F&data=3D0=
4%7C01%7C%7Cb186c470d9f343d27a9c08d91f195f64%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf0=
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DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3D9ZN8fACHIa=
wfjKbyvIwvCAgK5WtwzcShuAIO55c5j5A%3D&reserved=3D0>


Would it be an option to develop the community in that direction, Pietro? I=
f others too think that's useful ...

Cheers
Stefan
________________________________
From: grass-dev <[email protected]<mailto:grass-dev-bounces=
@lists.osgeo.org>> on behalf of Veronica Andreo <[email protected]<mailt=
o:[email protected]>>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 1:48:21 PM
To: Moritz Lennert <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]=
online.be>>
Cc: grass-dev <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>=
; Peter L=F6we <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] [release planning] Enable Zenodo before 7.8.6 and =
8.0.0

+1 from my side too

El lun., 24 may. 2021 03:23, Moritz Lennert <[email protected]<m=
ailto:[email protected]>> escribi=F3:
Clear +1 from me.

Moritz
Le 24 mai 2021 03:08:06 GMT+01:00, Vaclav Petras <[email protected]<mail=
to:[email protected]>> a =E9crit :
Hi all,

Let's enable the Zenodo link before 7.8.6 and 8.0(.0?) releases to get DOIs=
 and Zenodo records.

Solving the whole DOI linking and Zenodo archiving for the old versions may=
 be complex [1], but enabling the link between GitHub and Zenodo is trivial=
 (one click) and every newly created GitHub release (we do those) will be a=
utomatically registered and receive DOI.

Zenodo uses a system of DOI versions and a main DOI (Concept DOI). Whether =
it is an ideal system, that's a question, but it is currently the expected =
one since it is the same for everything on Zenodo. It is used automatically=
 when using the GitHub-Zenodo integration.

It seems I have the permissions to enable it for GRASS GIS. The one who ena=
bles that becomes a maintainer of it. I'm fine with that, but I won't be up=
loading any older versions. The maintainer can be changed later by contacti=
ng Zenodo support [2].

Although there are things to figure out in terms of next steps, I don't see=
 much risk in enabling it. There are no choices available in the setup or i=
n terms of alternatives. DOI and some kind of registration are expected mor=
e and more.

Thoughts?

Vaclav

[1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GitHub-Zenodo_linkage<https://eur01.sa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Yes, this is the community I was talking about.</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outloo=
k.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fzenodo.org%2Fcommunities%2Fgrass%2F&amp;data=3D0=
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o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Even if it has just one entry, the title is still GRASS GIS.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Maybe we could add a second one for the dev group / PSC. However, avo=
iding confusion by just having one real GRASS GIS community on Zenodo would=
 be better also for user experience&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Pietro, any thought about the future of that Zenodo community?<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Vaclav Petras &lt;[email protected]&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> tirsdag 25. mai 2021 03:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Stefan Blumentrath &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Veronica Andreo &lt;[email protected]&gt;; Moritz Lennert &lt=
;[email protected]&gt;; grass-dev &lt;[email protected]&=
gt;; Peter L=F6we &lt;[email protected]&gt;; Zambelli Pietro &lt;peter.zam=
[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GRASS-dev] [release planning] Enable Zenodo before 7.8=
.6 and 8.0.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks everyone for the support. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was able to identify some potential issues. Namely=
, the auto-generated metadata on Zenodo does not seem to be that great and =
that includes basic things like title and license. How an author list will =
look is hard to say without trying,
 but it is promised to be sensible. It seems that a lot of projects just so=
lve this using a .zenodo.json configuration file which includes this info, =
e.g. a full author list.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Although these metadata issues are certainly visible=
, a DOI will be generated and usable by itself in any case. Additionally, m=
etadata can be edited manually after the publishing/release. Finally, havin=
g .zenodo.json is doable (probably
 through CITATION.cff which would be good to have anyway). Thus, I don't se=
e this as a blocker, just as something to resolve on the way.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 1:27 PM Stefan Blumentrath &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"color:#212=
121">There is already a GRASS GIS community on Zenodo, managed by Pietro.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"color:#212=
121"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"color:#212=
121">There are way more GRASS related records in zenodo than registered in =
that community. Wound probably be useful to register relevant entries in a =
GRASS community...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
</blockquote>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There seems to be exactly n-1 GRASS-related records =
not in the community (where n is all the GRASS-related records). Are we loo=
king at the same one?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outloo=
k.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fzenodo.org%2Fcommunities%2Fgrass%2F&amp;data=3D0=
4%7C01%7C%7Cb186c470d9f343d27a9c08d91f195f64%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf0=
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CHIawfjKbyvIwvCAgK5WtwzcShuAIO55c5j5A%3D&amp;reserved=3D0">https://zenodo.o=
rg/communities/grass/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"color:#212=
121">Would it be an option to develop the community in that direction, Piet=
ro? If others too think that's useful ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"color:#212=
121"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"color:#212=
121">Cheers&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"color:#212=
121">Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> grass-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:grass-dev-bounces@l=
ists.osgeo.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;=
 on behalf of Veronica Andreo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 24, 2021 1:48:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Moritz Lennert &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
e" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> grass-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;; Peter L=F6we &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br=
>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GRASS-dev] [release planning] Enable Zenodo before 7.8=
.6 and 8.0.0</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">+1 from my side too<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">El lun., 24 may. 2021 03:23, Moritz Lennert &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">mlennert@club=
.worldonline.be</a>&gt; escribi=F3:<o:p></o:p></p>
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m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Clear +1 from me. <br=
>
<br>
Moritz<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Le 24 mai 2021 03:08:06 GMT+01:00, Vaclav Petras &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">wenzeslaus@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; a =E9crit&nbsp;:
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let's enable the Zenodo link before 7.8.6 and 8.0(.0=
?) releases to get DOIs and Zenodo records.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Solving the whole DOI linking and Zenodo archiving f=
or the old versions may be complex [1], but enabling the link between GitHu=
b and Zenodo is trivial (one click) and every newly created GitHub release =
(we do those) will be automatically
 registered and receive DOI.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Zenodo uses a system of DOI versions and a main DOI =
(Concept DOI). Whether it is an ideal system, that's a question, but it is =
currently the expected one since it is the same for everything on Zenodo. I=
t is used automatically when using
 the GitHub-Zenodo integration.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It seems I have the permissions to enable it for GRA=
SS GIS. The one who enables that becomes a maintainer of it. I'm fine with =
that, but I won't be uploading any older versions. The maintainer can be ch=
anged later by contacting Zenodo support
 [2].<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Although there are things to figure out in terms of =
next steps, I don't see much risk in enabling it. There are no choices avai=
lable in the setup or in terms of alternatives. DOI and some kind of regist=
ration are expected more and more.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Vaclav<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[1] <a href=3D"https://eur01.safelinks.protection.ou=
tlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgrasswiki.osgeo.org%2Fwiki%2FGitHub-Zenodo_l=
inkage&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7C%7Cb186c470d9f343d27a9c08d91f195f64%7C6cef37302=
1314901831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637575016109102974%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3=
d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=
&amp;sdata=3DYxsi4EcksypByvzSRMe7UrDDt50ZJOYQ3xqTugTCkjM%3D&amp;reserved=3D=
0" target=3D"_blank">
https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GitHub-Zenodo_linkage</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[2] <a href=3D"https://eur01.safelinks.protection.ou=
tlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fzenodo%2Fzenodo%2Fissues%2F826&=
amp;data=3D04%7C01%7C%7Cb186c470d9f343d27a9c08d91f195f64%7C6cef373021314901=
831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637575016109112968%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWI=
joiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sd=
ata=3DVHfit0yUK1uMUALz6MJHHoLNhSqleYFbVguNqjVinxs%3D&amp;reserved=3D0" targ=
et=3D"_blank">
https://github.com/zenodo/zenodo/issues/826</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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