Re: A few PROJ Logo propositions

I'll add a vote in favor of 10B: it is simple, distinctive (I think), and
adequately suggestive--after all, there is only so much information you can
imply in a logo (even that the phi is a phi and this is a meaningful
variable). To get all of what is in proj, you'd need
glyphs for a a globe, a plane, and a time-dependent Helmert
transformation--along with the name. Maybe proj needs a seal
and a logo (see
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/uc-logo-fail-new-unpopular-design_n_2293610
for the difference, as well as
a case of logo design gone bad, from my own institution).

I like the tilted phi idea.

Duncan Agnew


On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 7:53 AM Thomas Knudsen <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Howard, one way to make it "a little more earthy" would be to tilt the phi
> (and hence,
> the imagined rotation axis) by 23 degrees (or whatever works best in
> practice) to mimic
> the actual tilt of the Earth spin axis wrt the orbital plane. Not that
> "the average person"
> would recognize the tilt of the earth - but they would recognize the tilt
> of a globe.
>
> Den ons. 18. sep. 2019 kl. 16.20 skrev Howard Butler <[email protected]>:
>
>> I think 10B is pretty great, it shrinks well, and the phi would make a
>> good favicon. My only suggestion as a non-designer who knows nothing is to
>> make the phi a little more "earthy", but I've no idea how to do that.
>>
>> Logos that are little maps don't shrink very well, and they are
>> non-descript from all the other geo logos that are little maps. 10B is
>> abstract enough that it doesn't have that problem but it still communicates
>> an essence about the project.
>>
>> Thank you so much for these.
>>
>> Howard
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:57 AM Thomas Knudsen <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bonjour Sylvain,
>>>
>>> Thanks for another batch of hard work from you!
>>>
>>> 10B works surprisingly well, with the phi giving a quite convincing
>>> impression of the Earth and its axis of rotation. It does, however, not
>>> really hit the 4D point.
>>> 11A is, in my opinion, very good - extremely clear, both graphically and
>>> communication wise. I would probably suggest a slightly darker shade of
>>> grey for the coordinate designations (but you have probably tried that and
>>> found it worse)
>>> 11B is a nice humorous take. I see why it probably won't work with a
>>> varphi instead of the plain phi - but would like to see that as well if you
>>> have tried it out already.
>>>
>>> All in all, as of right now, I prefer the elegant, expressive and
>>> recognizable 11A, which will probably work extremely well in any size and
>>> angle, and provoke the right questions.
>>>
>>> /thomas
>>>
>>> Den tir. 17. sep. 2019 kl. 21.04 skrev Sylvain Beorchia <
>>> [email protected]>:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Thomas for your feebacks.
>>>>
>>>> Here are a few new tries (work in progress) :
>>>> http://dakitanmonkey.2tokiislands.com/proj_logos_4.png (lines 10 and
>>>> 11), inspired by your suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le mar. 17 sept. 2019 à 07:48, Thomas Knudsen <[email protected]>
>>>> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> I am unconvinced (or actually rather strictly against) the “globe and
>>>>> plane” style logo candidates: They focus too narrowly on the projection
>>>>> side of things, which is already indicated quite clearly through the name
>>>>> PROJ.
>>>>>
>>>>> I kind of like 3C, with the phi and its shadow - the shadow somehow
>>>>> indicating a “related but not identical reference frame”, i.e. a datum
>>>>> shift.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do, however, not like the shape of the phi (or actually “varphi”:
>>>>> phi is the “O with bar strikethrough” often used to indicate a clock
>>>>> phase): The very open-to-the-left varphi looks too much like the word “up”.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like the logo to indicate more clearly that geodesy is a
>>>>> four-dimensional science, and the operations PROJ provide support that.
>>>>>
>>>>> So perhaps something like 3C, but with the letters “P R O J” casting
>>>>> the shadows “varphi lambda H t” - or for the sake of simplicity and
>>>>> recognizability in small sizes: Just the four letters “varphi lambda H t”
>>>>> on one line, and “P R O J” below that:
>>>>>
>>>>> φλHt
>>>>>
>>>>> PROJ
>>>>>
>>>>> (where the phi was supposed to be a varphi)
>>>>>
>>>>> It may be a challenge to make it work graphically, since varphi
>>>>> descends, and lambda, H and t ascends - but I am sure this can be made to
>>>>> work by someone more graphically skilled than myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> /thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Den man. 16. sep. 2019 kl. 16.27 skrev Sylvain Beorchia <
>>>>> [email protected]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback  and suggestions.
>>>>>> Let's wait some more reactions of the community for my propositions,
>>>>>> and also for the other's (Nicolas, Janne...) one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le lun. 16 sept. 2019 à 15:55, Kristian Evers <[email protected]> a
>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you! I’ve come to the conclusion that of your proposals I like
>>>>>>> 5B the best. I like the wire-frame globe and that the plane below it is
>>>>>>> sort of the projected footprint of the globe. Additionally I like that the
>>>>>>> colors are simple (no shades and gradients) which I believe is more
>>>>>>> suitable for a logo. Additionally the red can be replaced with other colors
>>>>>>> depending on the context, for instance the OSGeo website which uses a black
>>>>>>> and green colorscheme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Kristian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Sylvain Beorchia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* 16. september 2019 13:55
>>>>>>> *To:* Kristian Evers <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Even Rouault <[email protected]>;
>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [PROJ] A few PROJ Logo propositions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kristian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've added a new version there
>>>>>>> http://dakitanmonkey.2tokiislands.com/proj_logos_3.png including
>>>>>>> your suggestion (9B)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le lun. 16 sept. 2019 à 09:51, Kristian Evers <[email protected]> a
>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Sylvain,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are indeed some good logo proposals. Like Even I also like the
>>>>>>> 2B/9A logo. I also like the 5B version. It would be interesting to see a
>>>>>>> combination of 5B and 9A. I like the wireframe globe and the red from 5B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Kristian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* PROJ <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Sylvain
>>>>>>> Beorchia
>>>>>>> *Sent:* 14. september 2019 00:08
>>>>>>> *To:* Even Rouault <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Cc:* [email protected]
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [PROJ] A few PROJ Logo propositions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry bad link,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://dakitanmonkey.2tokiislands.com/proj_logos_2.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le sam. 14 sept. 2019 à 00:07, Sylvain Beorchia <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I added your suggestion to the list (A9)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://dakitanmonkey.2tokiislands.com/proj_logos_2.png
>>>>>>> <http://dakitanmonkey.2tokiislands.com/proj_logos.png>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le ven. 13 sept. 2019 à 23:49, Even Rouault <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On vendredi 13 septembre 2019 23:26:48 CEST Sylvain Beorchia wrote:
>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Here are some few propositions for the PROJ logo :
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > http://dakitanmonkey.2tokiislands.com/proj_logos.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Sylvain. My preference would go to 2B, but perhaps with a
>>>>>>> uppercase J.
>>>>>>> Wondering if it wouldn't be better to enlarge a bit the green plane
>>>>>>> so that
>>>>>>> all letters (especially the P) are on it ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>
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