Re: Gnome menu

Well, I am getting different results -- using orca -- when I use
control-alt-tab the first thing I get is bottom edge expanded edge panel
frame and the next time I press them, it just says top expanded edge
panel frame.  When I am there it says menubar and if I hit right arrow
it says my user name menu and I see things like available, busy, system
settings, some others and logout.  I have to run orca from
gnome-terminal by hand, it seems not to run when the session starts --
using startx.  Is this the way things are supposed to work or is
something broke?


Robert Cole <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> The Super key is typically used as a term for the Windows key on a
> standard keyboard.
> 
> When an application is open, GNOME Shell displays a tab-like icon
> right next to the Activities Overview button on the top panel. This
> icon displays a thumbnail image for an application's icon as well as
> the name of the application relative to the currently focused
> window. For instance,  my currently focused windows is the Thunderbird
> composition window. The icon on the top panel displays a small
> Thunderbird icon along with "Thunderbird" to the right. If I click on
> this icon I see a "Quit" option; this menu can also be accessed by
> using the Super+F10 key combination. I think that it is eventually
> intended that the applications' menus (File, Edit, View, etc) will be
> removed from the standard menu bar and will be placed as a drop-down
> menu of this top icon which I mentioned earlier.
> 
> Unless I am mistaken, I think that when someone makes references to
> the Applications menu, I think that many are referring to the
> traditional GNOME 2.x-style Applications menu. In GNOME Shell, there
> is the Applications view of the Activities Overview. When the
> Activities Overview is open, a Windows tab and an Applications tab are
> displayed below the top panel. One can get to these different areas
> (the Dash, the Windows view, the Applications view, and the Search
> area by using the CTRL+ALT+Tab key combination, pressing it multiple
> times until the desired area (Dash, Windows, Applications, etc) is
> reached, and then releasing it.
> 
> The other applications menu is the soon-to-be implemented (unless I am
> understanding incorrectly) GNOME-style Global Menu system which will
> move the traditional application menu bar (File, Edit, View, etc) to
> the top panel's icon for whichever application has the current focus.
> 
> I apologize. I feel like this could be explained better, but this is
> the best way which I can explain it right now. I hope that this makes
> some sense.
> 
> Take care, and have a great evening!
> 
> On 08/25/2012 05:16 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > Hi.  What  is super?  I tried alt-f1, but there is nothing on the
> > applications menu reached by that.  If I hit control-tab twice, I get to
> > a top panel and it says menu bar along with some other icons.  Is this
> > all by design?
> >
> > Dylan McCall <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> That's a shame about the accident. I'm glad that GNOME and Debian have
> >> worked for you until now.
> >>
> >> The new menus _should_ be accessible. May you please explain what
> >> about them isn't working out? I'm sure that would help to improve the
> >> implementation. As it is, adding a toggle between the two menu layouts
> >> is no simple task: with this menu redesign, the idea of grouping menu
> >> items under things like "Edit" and "View" is going to drift away, so
> >> even if the bits were in place it would be quite difficult to change
> >> it back (especially dynamically).
> >>
> >> If I was to guess, the biggest problem for keyboard-accessibility is
> >> that the menus don't open with F10, so you have to reach them with
> >> Tab. Is that the gist of the problem? That might be something to
> >> mandate in the HIG (and maybe add at the toolkit level), because it
> >> _is_ quite surprising. Google Chrome, for example, is keyboard
> >> accessible: its wrench menu can be opened with the usual mnemonics
> >> (Alt+F or Alt+E). They forgot that F10 is the _real_ common
> >> menu-opening shortcut, but they did try :)
> >>
> >> If you haven't already found it, the keyboard shortcut to get the
> >> application menu (beside Activities at the top left of the screen) is
> >> Super+F10. You can also use the left and right arrow keys to get
> >> anywhere else on the top bar. Do you find that one works okay?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Dylan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:29 AM, surma <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> I’ve been using debian since 27 March of 1996, before gnome everything was quite crappy, but I started using gnome 11 June 2000, and linux turned easy. Then (2004/2005) I had a terrible car accident, I got rammed, then I spent 6 months in coma, which messed up my hands, so I can’t use mouse, that’s why I prefer keyboard. Maake a place under gconf-editor where you can choose the style of menu, so people can use either classic or modern style.
> >>>
> >>> That’s why I can’t use mouse.
> >>> http://www.hot.ee/surma/Surma_24.12.05.jpg
> >>> I built this car myself … and had an accident with it.
> >>>
> >>> This is what was left of my car.
> >>> http://www.hot.ee/surma/katki.jpg
> >>> Tanel
> >>>
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