Re: Gnome menu

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Piñeiro <[email protected]> wrote:

>  On 08/28/2012 04:08 AM, meg ford wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:34 AM, meg ford <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>    Here is the documentation for the keyboard shortcuts for navigating
>>> the applications icons [1], although I I think that asking a person with a
>>> physical disability to hold down ctrl and alt while tabbing is
>>> not feasible. Maybe someone else knows of a better solution.
>>>
>>>  Well, Ctrl+Alt+Tab is the one used because it was the one used at GNOME
>>> 2. Anyway, there is a work in progress effort in order to define new
>>> keyshortcuts for gnome-shell:
>>>
>>> https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/KeyboardShortcuts
>>>
>>> I suggested them some others, like direct access to the Dash and others.
>>>
>>
>>  I honestly don't know that this is a case where a simpler shortcut is
>> necessary, or if it should be considered a case where users need adapted
>> systems. I'll ask around in the accessibility community here and see what
>> people think, and comment there if it seems like the solution we have is
>> not up to standards.
>>
>
> I got a reply from a therapist who also works with kids with developmental
> and physical disabilities, and she also agreed that this could be improved.
> I see from the link that the proposal is to change this to tab, which would
> be much easier to use.
>
>
> Allan Day mentioned that during GUADEC. His proposal is that when you move
> to the overview, one of the main region (like the top panel) would receive
> the focus. Then you could move between regions using tab, and move inside a
> container using the arrows. In order to avoid too many tabs to go to a
> specific regio, we could define shortcuts to move to specific regions (ie:
> a shortcut to move to the Dash), and maintain the Ctrl+Alt+Tab switcher as
> legacy (as some users are still using it). You can see the bug that tracks
> this and the conversation here:
>
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681527
>
> My only doubts right now about this proposal are:
>   * Allan mentioned that one of the reasons is being consistent with Gtk.
> But in gtk tab doesn't move to the next container. In most cases Tab and
> right arrow are the same. So not sure if the user could get confused if in
> the shell Tab moves between containers
>   * All this could help on the overview, but we would have the same issues
> on the "normal view", although I suppose that the same solution is proposed
> there (but not sure).
>
> As I mention at the comment
>
>  It might be a good idea to propose that the shortcuts for switching
> between workspaces also be simple, since that is also difficult for users
> with physical disabilities to use.
>
>
> IMHO, this is a minor problem as you can define the shortcut to switch
> between workspaces. I personally use Ctrl+1, Ctrl+2, etc. The problem with
> the region switcher is that, AFAIK, you couldn't define a custom shortcut.
> Probably adding the possibility to redefine the shortcut would be a good
> feature.
>
>
>  Does anyone see a reason for me to not ask for a simple shortcut for that
>
>
> FWIW, what is the current (so complex) default shortcut for switching
> between workspaces? I thought that was Ctrl+Arrow key. Which simpler
> shortcut do you have in mind?
>

The proposal is ctrl+super+down

>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Meg Ford
>
>>
>>  Thanks for the link,
>> Meg Ford
>>
>>>
>>> BR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Meg Ford
>>>
>>>  [1]
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, meg ford <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The activities overview really doesn't work well for people with
>>>> physical disabilities. Using the mouse to choose an application can be very
>>>> tiring, and sometimes impossible for such users. Typing the name of the
>>>> application is also really difficult. Looking here [1] I don't see a way to
>>>> navigate the application icons using the keyboard. Maybe that has been
>>>> added and the documentation hasn't been updated?
>>>>
>>>>  There is a shell extension that provides a Gnome 2 style applications
>>>> menu [2]. I think this should be easier to use.
>>>>
>>>>  Meg Ford
>>>>
>>>>  [1]
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-apps-open.html.en
>>>> [2] https://extensions.gnome.org/accounts/profile/gcampax
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dylan McCall <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's a shame about the accident. I'm glad that GNOME and Debian have
>>>>> worked for you until now.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new menus _should_ be accessible. May you please explain what
>>>>> about them isn't working out? I'm sure that would help to improve the
>>>>> implementation. As it is, adding a toggle between the two menu layouts
>>>>> is no simple task: with this menu redesign, the idea of grouping menu
>>>>> items under things like "Edit" and "View" is going to drift away, so
>>>>> even if the bits were in place it would be quite difficult to change
>>>>> it back (especially dynamically).
>>>>>
>>>>> If I was to guess, the biggest problem for keyboard-accessibility is
>>>>> that the menus don't open with F10, so you have to reach them with
>>>>> Tab. Is that the gist of the problem? That might be something to
>>>>> mandate in the HIG (and maybe add at the toolkit level), because it
>>>>> _is_ quite surprising. Google Chrome, for example, is keyboard
>>>>> accessible: its wrench menu can be opened with the usual mnemonics
>>>>> (Alt+F or Alt+E). They forgot that F10 is the _real_ common
>>>>> menu-opening shortcut, but they did try :)
>>>>>
>>>>> If you haven't already found it, the keyboard shortcut to get the
>>>>> application menu (beside Activities at the top left of the screen) is
>>>>> Super+F10. You can also use the left and right arrow keys to get
>>>>> anywhere else on the top bar. Do you find that one works okay?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dylan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:29 AM, surma <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I’ve been using debian since 27 March of 1996, before gnome
>>>>> everything was quite crappy, but I started using gnome 11 June 2000, and
>>>>> linux turned easy. Then (2004/2005) I had a terrible car accident, I got
>>>>> rammed, then I spent 6 months in coma, which messed up my hands, so I can’t
>>>>> use mouse, that’s why I prefer keyboard. Maake a place under gconf-editor
>>>>> where you can choose the style of menu, so people can use either classic or
>>>>> modern style.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > That’s why I can’t use mouse.
>>>>> > http://www.hot.ee/surma/Surma_24.12.05.jpg
>>>>> > I built this car myself … and had an accident with it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This is what was left of my car.
>>>>> > http://www.hot.ee/surma/katki.jpg
>>>>> > Tanel
>>>>> >
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