Re: [GNC-dev] GnuCash and Github

I agree self-hosting an alternative solution is more burden than it would bring benefit. So 
let's leave it as is for now.

Regards,

Geert


Op vrijdag 18 november 2022 19:12:46 CET schreef john:
> I don't think the silo effect is a big deal. The main impact is on
> transferring bugs and we gave that up when Gnome shut down its Bugzilla
> instance. Cross-project pull/merge requests make no sense, so I guess your
> complaint is that you can't use your Github account to submit a PR to e.g.
> Gtk because while there's a Gtk mirror on Github it doesn't take PRs, you
> have to get a Gnome LDAP account and make your MR (merge request, gitlab's
> name for pull request).
> 
> Based on what I see over at Gnome running a gitlab instance is a lot of
> work. Plus even with the Gnome Foundation's compute resources it frequently
> bogs down. I don't think we'd want to do that.
> 
> I'd never even heard of gitea or codeberg and I've encountered only one
> project on sourcehut. I wasn't terribly impressed.
> 
> We could switch the git mirror to Sourceforge, which would get us the
> code-browsing, though not as nice as GitHub's, and the merge requests. I
> don't know how the edit/discussion flow works there, but I bet it's not as
> nice as Github's either.
> 
> That leaves CI. Sourceforge doesn't provide it, so we'd have to set up our
> own instance of something; Jenkins used to be popular but I don't know if
> it's still considered the best. Regardless that's more time spent setting
> it up, securing, and maintaining it.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> > On Nov 18, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Geert Janssens <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > That's a good analysis of the situation.
> > 
> > I agree this is largely a legal issue to be solved by organisations like
> > the SFC.
> > 
> > At a deeper level though I agree this could only have happened because OSS
> > has allowed github to become such a golden cage for our projects in the
> > first place. And this seems to happen over and over again.
> > 
> > It has become very hard to leave github because of the network effect. And
> > I agree we can't make others not have a clone of the gnucash repo on
> > github. That doesn't mean we can't make a statement by not hosting our
> > own forks/clones there ourselves if we care enough.
> > 
> > I don't know if *I* care enough. I am concerned about these developments, 
> > but at the same time I wouldn't want to add more infrastructure
> > maintenance to our already limited time.
> > 
> > SFC suggested a few alternatives, either hosted (sourcehut, codeberg) or
> > self-hosted (gitea, gitlab CE, sourcehut).
> > 
> > Codeberg is very similar to github, except for CI (which is currently in
> > closed beta). So it offers much of what our users/contributors are
> > already used to. I don't know about the others.
> > 
> > As a last semi-OT remark/rant, I think all the alternatives are missing a
> > key piece - federation.
> > 
> > You either have a centrally hosted platform(codeberg.org,...), or you have
> > completely isolated islands that happen to use the same software (think
> > gitlab.gnome.org, gitlab.kitware.com,...)
> >