Re: Minutes of the Foundation Board, 22nd May

Benjamin Berg <[email protected]> Fri, 25 May 2018 21:30:03 +0200
Newsgroups	gmane.comp.gnome.foundation.general
Message-ID	<[email protected]>
On Fri, 2018-05-25 at 21:29 +0200, Carlos Soriano wrote:
> Depends on the case I guess? If I have to go over 1000 comments
> probably not. There could be other reasons, but I don't know yet
> because I didn't manage many cases yet.

And in this particular case?

Benjamin

> On 25 May 2018 at 21:24, Benjamin Berg <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2018-05-25 at 21:20 +0200, Carlos Soriano wrote:
> > > Have you done so, if not, is there any reason to not make this
> > offer?
> > > 
> > > No, apart of the policy mentioned in the minutes.
> > 
> > Will you make such an offer? If not, is there any reason to not
> > make
> > this offer in the future and in this case?
> > 
> > Benjamin
> > 
> > > On 25 May 2018 at 21:18, Benjamin Berg <[email protected]
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 2018-05-25 at 21:05 +0200, Carlos Soriano wrote:
> > > > > Benjamin, I couldn't do in the way you mention simply because
> > > > that
> > > > > was not the request. The request was as described "account
> > > > deletion
> > > > > in GitLab for a blocked user". The request was for complete
> > > > deletion,
> > > > > including any activity.
> > > > 
> > > > This doesn't make any sense to me. The user has explicitly
> > > > requested a
> > > > full deletion including all comments. You have solely decided
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > comments would not be removed, but there was no decision on
> > whether
> > > > the
> > > > comment text needs to stay as is.
> > > > 
> > > > As such, I would expect that you explicitly offer the user to
> > > > replace
> > > > all text in relevant posts. Have you done so, if not, is there
> > any
> > > > reason to not make this offer?
> > > > 
> > > > Benjamin
> > > > 
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Fri., 25 May 2018, 20:30 Benjamin Berg, <benjamin@sipsolut
> > ions
> > > > .net
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, 2018-05-23 at 12:29 +0100, Allan Day wrote:
> > > > > > >  * Request for account deletion in GitLab for a blocked
> > user
> > > > > > (Carlos)
> > > > > > >   * Carlos sent an email to board-list with details of
> > this
> > > > > > >   * Carlos is the only GitLab admin. He recently blocked
> > a
> > > > user
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > inappropriate behaviour. This means that the user can no
> > > > longer
> > > > > > log in
> > > > > > > to edit/delete their comments.
> > > > > > >   * The user has subsequently sent a mail demanding that
> > > > their
> > > > > > posts
> > > > > > > be deleted. The user has made the case that this is their
> > > > legal
> > > > > > right
> > > > > > > (under Canadian law) and has threatened legal action.
> > > > > > >   * Comments can only be deleted by an admin.
> > > > > > >   * We have a prescedent that we don't delete posts that
> > are
> > > > > > stored on
> > > > > > > GNOME servers.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There is a fundamental difference with Gitlab compared to
> > other
> > > > > > services though. On Gitlab comments and bug reports can be
> > > > > > retrospectively modified by the submitter and even third
> > > > parties in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > case of bug descriptions. So the user could delete the
> > relevant
> > > > > > text
> > > > > > even if they cannot delete the comment itself.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It sounds like the request for deletion was completely
> > refused
> > > > > > rather
> > > > > > than complying with it as much as possible by changing all
> > text
> > > > to
> > > > > > e.g.
> > > > > > "comment has been deleted". Is there a reason for not
> > complying
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > the request in this way?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   * Allan - why don't we delete posts? Rosanna - data
> > > > retention
> > > > > > > policies are part of our staff handbook, and are required
> > for
> > > > > > > insurance purposes.
> > > > > > >   * Didier - on gnome-fr forums, they offer to anonymise
> > > > posts
> > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > than deleting them (in order to preserve threads). Cosimo
> > -
> > > > isn't
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > what happens when a user account is deleted? Yes.
> > > > > > >   * Cosimo - prefers that people can remove their account
> > > > rather
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > > deleting posts. Didier agrees with this. Allan is
> > personally
> > > > in
> > > > > > favour
> > > > > > > but doesn't know what the legal requirements are.
> > > > > > >   * ACTION: Carlos to offer to delete the account and
> > > > anonymise
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > posts in the process.
> > > > > > 
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> > > 
> > >
> 
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