Re: Accelerator key inconsistencies

On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 14:14 +0200, CJ van den Berg wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 11:42:05AM +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:
> > You are talking about consistencies with other desktop applications one
> > minute, then talking about specific use cases allowing you to dump all
> > that the next minute.
> 
> The consistency I was talking about was that Ctrl-w closes windows and not
> just tabs. That is still very much the case.

In Gossip, Ctrl+W closes a tab.
In GIMP, Ctrl+W closes a window (showing an image).

The correlation here is that they close a "document" or "instance", what
ever you want to call it. Ctrl+W is not used anywhere else in GIMP or
Gossip (iirc).

I see now reason to make Ctrl+W close anything else in either case.

> > Personally, I think the Ctrl+W issue is perfect as it is. It works the
> > same as GIMP and I like that. 
> 
> Does it really work the same? How do you hide the Gimp tool window?

The same way you close the roster window.

> > The difference between close and hide is measured by the functionality
> > that the application provides. For example, I would expect the
> > difference between hide and close for the chat window to be almost
> > non-existant. But for the roster window, I would expect that difference
> > to be, hide the window and close the application.
> 
> Please, *I* understand this, and *you* understand this, but it just doesn't
> make any sense to a normal user. Please show me just *one* other window on
> the GNOME desktop that has a hidden state and a closed state and the
> differentiates between the two in the UI.

Skype does the exact same thing EXCEPT it doesn't have an option in the
UI to toggle this behaviour, it is hidden, you can only do this by
clicking of the notification area icon. The only difference is we
provide an option visually in the roster window menu and notification
icon menu.

In fact, you will find that MSN Messenger does this too and probably
other instant messaging clients. The whole hide/minimise/don't close on
'x'/etc thing is quite different for IM clients, so comparing to the
rest of the desktop is pointless if you ask me. Users understand this.

Users that see the main menu as:

Hide Roster
---
Quit

Are NOT going to be confused by that are they, especially when other i'm
clients have same or similar behaviour.

-- 
Regards,
Martyn