Re: Re: [Telepathy] Telepathy Status

Xavier Claessens wrote:
> Le mercredi 11 octobre 2006 à 14:13 +0200, David Nielsen a écrit :
>> ons, 11 10 2006 kl. 13:59 +0200, skrev Xavier Claessens:
>>> Le mercredi 11 octobre 2006 à 12:26 +0100, Dafydd Harries a écrit :
>>>> Ar 09/10/2006 am 21:23, ysgrifennodd Eitan Isaacson:
>>>>> * We are right now building a vertical solution in the sense that we are
>>>>> managing accounts, connections, contacts, and incoming channels all in
>>>>> the same process. If we are truly subscribing to the telepathy way of
>>>>> life we need to redefine the goals of gossip. Telepathy dictates that
>>>>> there should be something called mission control[3] that will do all the
>>>>> background handling of connections and account settings and delegate
>>>>> actual communications to separate channel handlers, so these are some
>>>>> options I see:
>>>>> 	1. separate gossip in to two processes, mission control, and everything
>>>>> else.
>>>>> 	2. stay monolithic, and delegate unhandled channels to external
>>>>> handlers.
>>>>> 	3. size down to a roster and IM interface.
>>>>> 	4. combination of 2 and 3, be a self sustaining process with an option
>>>>> of cooperating with an MC.
>>>>> Just thought I would throw that out there and hopefully flare up some
>>>>> discussion :)
>>>> One way forward would be for Gossip to implement the MC API, and for MC to be
>>>> split into a separate component later on.
>>>>
>>>> There was a lot of enthusiasm at Boston for the Telepathy port of Gossip, and
>>>> it was suggested that we propose it for inclusion in Gnome 2.18. If we want to
>>>> do this, we should do it right now -- I think the deadline for proposals is
>>>> the 13th. I personally feel this is a good idea: getting Gossip with Telepathy
>>>> support into Gnome would be a major boon to both Telepathy and Gnome. If
>>>> inclusion is rejected, we can always re-propose it for 2.20. Either way, not
>>>> having MC as a separate component should not block Gossip's adoption by Gnome.
>> As a user I'd love to see the functionality Gossip offers in my GNOME
>> desktop and I know many others who feel the same way thus I'd be all for
>> proposing Gossip for inclusion in 2.18.
>>
>> - David Nielsen
> 
> Personally I doubt gossip-telepathy would be ready for 2.18, but I'm all
> for consider it for 2.20 :-)
> 
> There is not only gossip which isn't ready, telepathy-[gabble,
> butterfly,...] aren't feature-full at all, and I don't even speak about
> stability.

Agreed, this doesn't sound very feasible from a number of perspectives:

* Feature/UI stability of Gossip, we are constantly changing the UI of
  Gossip and having it as part of GNOME would mean a lot of extra work
  load and restrictions to this. (This goes for both branches of Gossip
  but even more so for the Telepathy branch).

* Feature completion of Telepathy, my understanding is that there are a
  bunch of things lacking in order to make Gossip/Telepathy have all the
  features of current Gossip.

* Untested/Experimental stack, Telepathy, Telepathy Jabber
  implementation and Gossip/Telepathy involves a lot of new and largely
  untested code.

* Time frame/resources, there aren't enough resources in the Gossip
  project for this kind of commitment.

Best Regards,
  Mikael Hallendal

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