Re: gnome-themes-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 4
"A.H." <[email protected]> Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:58:24 +0200
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Am 04.06.2010 15:11, schrieb [email protected]: > Send gnome-themes-list mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnome-themes-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome (Sylvia S?nchez ) > 2. Re: gnome-themes-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3 (??????) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 09:11:41 -0300 > From: "Sylvia S?nchez "<[email protected]> > To: [email protected], [email protected], Ricardo Espinel > <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome > Message-ID:<1275653502.1919.14.camel@Arcoiris> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > I'm NOT an admirer of Che Guevara but I guess you don't understand > history neither war. Every soldier is a serial killer, do you say we > have to ban every image or icon of a soldier? A war is nothing more > than a killing in mass, do you say we have to ban every image or icon of > guns and military stuff? Do you think that the presidents and soldiers > you admire NEVER kill anybody? Really you do? Think it again. Every > president and every soldier who has been envolved in a war have blood in > their hands. > Read and LEARN about history. It will wide your sight and your points > of view. And then, may be, you will be able to distinguish between a > serial killer and a common soldier, and between dictator and a person > with wrong ideas. > > > Best wishes > Sylvia > > > > El vie, 04-06-2010 a las 03:15 +0000, Ricardo Espinel escribi?: > > >> So this is it. >> >> >> >> I think Adolf Hitler was a brave german national hero, he just did a >> great welfare work and fought onb behalf of german people. Can I >> Please upload to Gnome website some wallpaper in apology of the Nazi >> party? >> >> >> So, besides I think the Israel government is just fighting for the >> security of their people, and Mussolini was also good, and all the >> dictators from afrika are also good, and Pinochett, even George Bush. >> >> >> I think you Che defenders are the ones who don't think about hurting >> other people. It would be better if this wallpaper was just deleted, >> and there was neither apologies to the left nor right political >> conditions. >> >> >> Remember, it doesn't matter who is the final user of gnome, it ought >> be open for every single kind of people. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:55:44 -0700 >> Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome >> To: [email protected] >> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> >> >> Hi: >> >> >> After reading this email, it is really difficoult to me not to respond >> it. >> >> >> First, Thanks Thiago for your words I totally agree with you. >> >> >> Second, Let's try to keep this mailing list as a what it is now, a >> nice space of sharing great things. So please, before writing think >> twice if people would feel offended by your words, because I am sure >> many people feel this way now. So please be respectful, a lot of >> people might think different than you. >> >> >> Last, get informed before talking. There are a lot of books, >> documentaries, movies. Maybe what people says it is not true, just >> check it. >> (Movies: Che 1 and Che 2, Documentaries: about Cuban revolution, books >> like reminiscence of the Cuban revolution war) I have learned a lot of >> what was happening before and after the revolution. After learning >> that I have become a great admirer of el che Guevara, I am sure you >> will understand more things if too. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Silvina >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thiago Arroadie >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dear Antonius, >> >> >> >> I was really reluctant to answer you, but in the end, here we >> go. >> >> First of all, I think your comment totally misplaced... >> The create an analogy between Adolf Hitler and Ernesto Guevara >> is really going too far. >> >> I actually don't give a shit to the image (even that is pretty >> well made) but if someone wanted to share the ideology of the >> Cuban (and latin-american) revolution, a thing that I don't >> expect you to understand, I don't see a good reason for not >> doing it. >> >> Otherwise then the way you put it, and knowing that you >> certainly comes from a country that already wen't to a war, >> the history is and has always been told by those who won the >> wars. I don't expect you to call your president or war heroes >> "serial killers", "monsters" or "murderers". In fact, we give >> them glory and eternity, over the blood they trow and lives >> they took. >> >> A revolution is not made by raising flowers, unfortunately. >> And the image of Guevara is and will always be, the icon of >> the day the weak fought the strong and won. Won the right to >> chose their own destiny. What you call >> "socialism totalitarianism" (which is itself a really weird >> expression) were once called "free world" even that today this >> old dream is decaying. >> >> >> I really think you, one day, will be able to think from out of >> the box and see that the world where you live is bigger and >> has more people and cultures that you can imagine, so, respect >> them. >> >> >> Sorry for the weird English, I come from a weird Latin world. >> >> >> Best regards. >> >> >> Thiago >> >> >> 2010/5/26 Antonius Iesus<[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> Hello all. >> >> First of all let me congratulate to all of you who >> make possible this >> great project, Gnome. >> >> I'm just a user and I would never have thought of >> finding myself >> writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found >> myself morally >> forced to do so. >> >> A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my >> desktop and >> clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in >> art.gnome site. Then, >> in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta >> siempre" (forever!) of >> Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial >> killers known in >> the whole history of mankind and turned into one of >> the biggest icons >> of socialist totalitarianism. >> >> Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made >> me feel very sad, >> as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the >> place for that >> kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the >> place for showing >> pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, >> Fidel Castro or any >> kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way >> Gnome is not the >> place for finding any type of apology of criminal >> ideologies. >> >> I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have >> not found any >> e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, >> Gnome is a >> community and as member of this community (as user and >> occasional bug >> reporter) I think I have the right to share this >> thoughts with all of >> you. >> >> Please, you know the whole world is driving madder and >> madder in these >> chaotic times of crisis, but I believe it is not so >> difficult to just >> have a little of dignity, common sense and decency. In >> my opinion that >> image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the like should not >> be part of this >> great project, Gnome. I'm not asking for any kind of >> censorship or >> political correctness, but just a sense of morality >> and respect in the >> things we do. >> >> The links: >> >> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg >> >> http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6 >> >> It has not been my intention to offend anyone. >> >> Thanks for your time and kind regards. >> >> God bless you. >> Antonius Iesus. >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-themes-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe (and more): >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-themes-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe (and more): >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Explore the seven wonders of the world Learn more! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-themes-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe (and more): >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL:<http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/attachments/20100604/c7f782f9/attachment.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 198 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > URL:<http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/attachments/20100604/c7f782f9/attachment.bin> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:11:40 +0300 > From: ??????<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: gnome-themes-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3 > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I agree that so strongly controversial issues should not find their way into > the main source of wallpapers for gnome desktops. > It doesn't matter who is right (how old are we?!), It simply isn't the right > place. > If someone want to promote an ideology, they should start their own website > and community, and they can invite people to join them. > > 2010/6/4<[email protected]> > > >> Send gnome-themes-list mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of gnome-themes-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome (Ricardo Espinel) >> 2. Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome (Olav Vitters) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:15:27 +0000 >> From: Ricardo Espinel<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]>,<[email protected]>, >> <[email protected]>,<[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> So this is it. >> I think Adolf Hitler was a brave german national hero, he just did a great >> welfare work and fought onb behalf of german people. Can I Please upload to >> Gnome website some wallpaper in apology of the Nazi party? >> So, besides I think the Israel government is just fighting for the security >> of their people, and Mussolini was also good, and all the dictators from >> afrika are also good, and Pinochett, even George Bush. >> I think you Che defenders are the ones who don't think about hurting other >> people. It would be better if this wallpaper was just deleted, and there was >> neither apologies to the left nor right political conditions. >> Remember, it doesn't matter who is the final user of gnome, it ought be >> open for every single kind of people. >> >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:55:44 -0700 >> Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome >> To: [email protected] >> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> >> Hi: >> After reading this email, it is really difficoult to me not to respond it. >> First, Thanks Thiago for your words I totally agree with you. >> Second, Let's try to keep this mailing list as a what it is now, a nice >> space of sharing great things. So please, before writing think twice if >> people would feel offended by your words, because I am sure many people feel >> this way now. So please be respectful, a lot of people might think different >> than you. >> >> >> Last, get informed before talking. There are a lot of books, documentaries, >> movies. Maybe what people says it is not true, just check it.(Movies: Che 1 >> and Che 2, Documentaries: about Cuban revolution, books like reminiscence of >> the Cuban revolution war) I have learned a lot of what was happening before >> and after the revolution. After learning that I have become a great admirer >> of el che Guevara, I am sure you will understand more things if too. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Silvina >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thiago Arroadie<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Antonius, >> I was really reluctant to answer you, but in the end, here we go. >> >> First of all, I think your comment totally misplaced... >> The create an analogy between Adolf Hitler and Ernesto Guevara is really >> going too far. >> >> >> >> >> >> I actually don't give a shit to the image (even that is pretty well made) >> but if someone wanted to share the ideology of the Cuban (and >> latin-american) revolution, a thing that I don't expect you to understand, I >> don't see a good reason for not doing it. >> >> >> >> >> >> Otherwise then the way you put it, and knowing that you certainly comes >> from a country that already wen't to a war, the history is and has always >> been told by those who won the wars. I don't expect you to call your >> president or war heroes "serial killers", "monsters" or "murderers". In >> fact, we give them glory and eternity, over the blood they trow and lives >> they took. >> >> >> >> >> >> A revolution is not made by raising flowers, unfortunately. And the image >> of Guevara is and will always be, the icon of the day the weak fought the >> strong and won. Won the right to chose their own destiny. What you call >> "socialism totalitarianism" (which is itself a really weird expression) were >> once called "free world" even that today this old dream is decaying. >> >> >> >> >> I really think you, one day, will be able to think from out of the box and >> see that the world where you live is bigger and has more people and cultures >> that you can imagine, so, respect them. >> >> >> >> >> Sorry for the weird English, I come from a weird Latin world. >> Best regards. >> Thiago >> >> 2010/5/26 Antonius Iesus<[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> Hello all. >> >> >> >> First of all let me congratulate to all of you who make possible this >> >> great project, Gnome. >> >> >> >> I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself >> >> writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally >> >> forced to do so. >> >> >> >> A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and >> >> clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then, >> >> in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of >> >> Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in >> >> the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons >> >> of socialist totalitarianism. >> >> >> >> Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad, >> >> as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that >> >> kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing >> >> pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any >> >> kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the >> >> place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies. >> >> >> >> I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any >> >> e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a >> >> community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug >> >> reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of >> >> you. >> >> >> >> Please, you know the whole world is driving madder and madder in these >> >> chaotic times of crisis, but I believe it is not so difficult to just >> >> have a little of dignity, common sense and decency. In my opinion that >> >> image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the like should not be part of this >> >> great project, Gnome. I'm not asking for any kind of censorship or >> >> political correctness, but just a sense of morality and respect in the >> >> things we do. >> >> >> >> The links: >> >> >> >> >> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6 >> >> >> >> It has not been my intention to offend anyone. >> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:39:07 +0200 >> From: Olav Vitters <[email protected]> >> To: Antonius Iesus <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected], [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 08:38:04PM +0200, Antonius Iesus wrote: >>> I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself >>> writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally >>> forced to do so. >>> >> >> Understood. Still, please stick to one mailing list only >> (gnome-themes-list). I've ensured it only appears on gnome-themes-list >> fwiw. >> >>> A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and >>> clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then, >>> in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of >>> Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in >>> the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons >>> of socialist totalitarianism. >>> >>> Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad, >>> as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that >>> kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing >>> pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any >>> kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the >>> place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies. >>> >>> I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any >>> e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a >>> community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug >>> reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of >>> you. >>> >> >> There are no 'administrators of GNOME'. Anyway, I've cc'ed the board. >> >> board: full reference to the current thread (different opinions, etc): >> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/2010-June/msg00000.html >> >> >> Thanks for your time and kind regards. >> >> >> >> God bless you. >> >> Antonius Iesus. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> gnome-themes-list mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> To unsubscribe (and more): >> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> gnome-themes-list mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> To unsubscribe (and more): >> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Explore the seven wonders of the world >> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL:< >> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/attachments/20100604/c5495fe8/attachment.html >> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:39:07 +0200 >> From: Olav Vitters<[email protected]> >> To: Antonius Iesus<[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected], [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 08:38:04PM +0200, Antonius Iesus wrote: >> >>> I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself >>> writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally >>> forced to do so. >>> >> Understood. Still, please stick to one mailing list only >> (gnome-themes-list). I've ensured it only appears on gnome-themes-list >> fwiw. >> >> >>> A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and >>> clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then, >>> in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of >>> Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in >>> the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons >>> of socialist totalitarianism. >>> >>> Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad, >>> as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that >>> kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing >>> pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any >>> kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the >>> place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies. >>> >>> I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any >>> e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a >>> community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug >>> reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of >>> you. >>> >> There are no 'administrators of GNOME'. Anyway, I've cc'ed the board. >> >> board: full reference to the current thread (different opinions, etc): >> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/2010-June/msg00000.html >> >> >>> The links: >>> >>> >>> >> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg >> >>> http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6 >>> >> -- >> Regards, >> Olav >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-themes-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list >> >> >> End of gnome-themes-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3 >> ************************************************ >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL:<http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/attachments/20100604/87a2efda/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-themes-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list > > > End of gnome-themes-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 4 > Hi, I read along here from Germany. I find it incredible how they represent Hitler, who is a huge criminals. It is also double murder or murder if I order you run the command because he refused soldier is shot, not the general You are very arrogant here, because I am also a Chue gevara has no business here, and that because it tackles the political issues of wrong is better in your little pictures that you have been doing very well. Did I leave the list, thanks, this conversation about criminals and war is very daring on this basis is now so weitergemacht still. It is a pity that I leave now so out of this list must, but I'm wrong here! DIOTIMA _______________________________________________ gnome-themes-list mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe (and more): http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list