Re: Termianl Font Woes - still garbeled

well, i'm stumped. i also use nVidia card at 1600x1200 with no problems. 
if you take a screenshot, do the fonts look bad in the pic? i doubt 
changing to nVidia's drivers will help (besides, with that card you 
would need to mess around with your drive-strength settings or it may 
lock up X doing GL stuff). both at work and home? what type of monitors?

-alvin


Keith F Irwin wrote:

>On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 05:54, Alvin Thompson wrote:
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>>hmm... what resolution/monitor/video card? anyone remember how to set 
>>the X DPI setting? i forget...
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>
>Let's see: at work, I have an Nvidia card (don't remember what it is,
>maybe Nvidia Quadro2 EX) and at home, an old ATI @home (ATI Mach64), or
>something like that.
>
>I run at dpi of 96, 1600x1200 resolution:
>
>	startx -- -dpi 96 > Logs/startx.log 2>&1
>
>I removed the DPI setting to see if that made a difference.  X defaults
>to something over 100 DPI when I do this.  The fonts look bigger, but
>the difference I mentioned between the fonts as rendered on the Nautilus
>desktop (say), and inside the terminal are still there.
>
>Maybe I should try Nvidia's drivers rather than the stock RH 7.3 ones?
>
>Keith
>
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>>-alvin
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>>Keith Irwin wrote:
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>>>I reconfigured my font system along the lines you mentioned below with 
>>>maybe only slightly better results.  Fonts like "monospace" or "lucida 
>>>console" or "courier new" still seem "proportiona" in the way they squash 
>>>the Ws and Ms.  Right now, I'm using courier (not courier new).  (I added 
>>>all the font paths from the xfs config to the XF86config-4 file rather 
>>>than just the ones you mentioned: including the MS fonts.)
>>>
>>>I also set GDK_USE_XFT=1 and, really, there's no difference as far as 
>>>gnome-terminal is concerned.  Very odd.  I'll try a few more tests to see 
>>>if things change.
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>
>>>On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Alvin Thompson wrote:
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>>>>Keith Irwin wrote:
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>>>>>Aside from general grainyness, and the fact that everything seems extra 
>>>>>bold, all the wide characters are truncated: Ws look like Vs, Ms look like 
>>>>>Ns, and so on.  For instance, I'm sending this to what looks like: 
>>>>>xinian.con. ;)
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>>>>hmm... you might want to make sure your fonts are properly installed, as 
>>>>it sounds  like your system may not be finding them. if you use XFree86 
>>>>4.x,  you may want to do what i do, and use the built-in font server 
>>>>instead of xfs, as well as install your windows fonts. the built-in 
>>>>server scales nicer, anyway:
>>>>
>>>>1. edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file:
>>>>   a. make a backup copy just in case
>>>>   b. remove the line that reads:
>>>>       FontPath   "unix/:-1"  (on Mandrake) or
>>>>       FontPath   "unix/:7100" (Red Hat)
>>>>   c. Add these lines where the previous line used to be:
>>>>       FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF:unscaled"
>>>>       Fontpath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled"
>>>>       FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
>>>>       FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
>>>>
>>>>2. if you have a windows machine, and you want to also install your 
>>>>windows fonts (very strongly recommended), do this step. otherwise, skip 
>>>>this step:
>>>>   a. make a backup of your /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF directory just 
>>>>in case
>>>>   b. copy the contents of your windows fonts directory to 
>>>>/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ directory(.ttf files only).
>>>>       1. on windows XP the font dirctory is 'c:\windows\fonts'. the 
>>>>files you want all end in '.ttf'
>>>>   c. open a shell prompt as root and go to the 
>>>>/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ directory
>>>>   d. type this command:  ttmkfdir >fonts.dir
>>>>   e. verify no error messages and the file 'fonts.dir' was just 
>>>>created (check timestamp) and the 'fonts.dir' size is bigger than zero.
>>>>
>>>>3. you can also (if you want) use serviceconf or some other tool (or 
>>>>manually) to stop the 'xfs' service from starting. it is no longer 
>>>>necessary.
>>>>
>>>>4. log out of X and type <control-alt-backspace> just to be sure.
>>>>
>>>>5. log in to X again and set your font preferences again. you should 
>>>>have a much larger selection of fonts as well (if you installed windows 
>>>>fonts).
>>>>
>>>>THIS ASSUMES A MANDRAKE 8.x or RED HAT 7.2/7.3 SYSTEM!!! IF YOU ARE 
>>>>USING SOMETHING ELSE, DON'T DO THIS OR YOU MAY REGRET IT!
>>>>
>>>>hope this helps,
>>>>alvin
>>>>
>>>>log in to X again
>>>>
>>>>Keith Irwin wrote:
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>>>>>On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Alvin Thompson wrote:
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>>>>>>sounds like you're using a proportional font, which (at least in the Red 
>>>>>>Hat version) it will let you do. to make them monosopace, the software 
>>>>>>adds spacing to the proportional fonts which looks really, really bad. 
>>>>>>try switching to, say, lucida console or lucidatypewriter, or some other 
>>>>>>monospace font.
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>>>>>This doesn't seem to make any difference.  For instance, I'm typing this 
>>>>>on what I *think* is Lucida Console, but the "m"s look like n's.  I don't 
>>>>>know if it makes any difference, but I haven't enabled AA using the 
>>>>>environment variable for gnome.  (I hate that the pager labels take up to 
>>>>>rows.)
>>>>>
>>>>>None of the non-proportional fonts look good at any size.
>>>>>
>>>>>Aside from general grainyness, and the fact that everything seems extra 
>>>>>bold, all the wide characters are truncated: Ws look like Vs, Ms look like 
>>>>>Ns, and so on.  For instance, I'm sending this to what looks like: 
>>>>>xinian.con. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>hope this helps,
>>>>>>alvin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>J. Gardner Biggs wrote:
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>>>>>>>Well, the problem is the spacing between the letters is inconsistent.
>>>>>>>Sometimes the letters crowd each other, sometimes they are far apart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think, I when I get home tonight, I will perform a "clean" install of RH73
>>>>>>>+ Gnome 2 and see what happens, I have been fussing with this installation
>>>>>>>for a few months now, and I am sure some things are not what they should be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since the only critical data on this box is the email, what is the easiet
>>>>>>>way to recreate my evolution folder?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1.  simply back up and recopy the entire contents of the folder
>>>>>>>(~home/evolution) after reinstallation?
>>>>>>>2.  back up the mbox files and reimport them?  along with the contacts
>>>>>>>database?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>thanks.
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Cédric Marcone" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>To: "J. Gardner Biggs" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>Cc: <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:27 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Termianl Font Woes - still garbeled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Could you explain what you mean by "screwed up".
>>>>>>>No problems here, look at the attached shot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 15:00, J. Gardner Biggs wrote:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>The nautilus hanging problem is fixed with the newest build, but the
>>>>>>>>terminal fonts are still screwed up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Should I "downgrade" to the earlier snapshots?  If so which ones?  I saw
>>>>>>>>that the latest gnome-terminal has changed some of its dependencies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Cédric Marcone
>>>>>>>MDEO Lyon
>>>>>>>Centre de Technologie
>>>>>>>(+33) 4 72 07 92 93
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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