Re: moving to codeberg?

Simon Josefsson via Bug reports for the GNU Internet utilities <[email protected]> Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:48:32 +0200

Newsgroups	gmane.comp.gnu.inetutils.bugs
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"Alfred M. Szmidt" <[email protected]> writes:

> Only today, all GNU and FSF infra was down for +48 hours -- I did not
> count, neither does the FSF, nor do they provide any idea of how often
> things are non-functioning.  And there is no communication about it.
>
> Codeberg sounds like an idea, I'm happy that you're looking into it.
> Github is not a serious consideration -- they requires non-free
> software to login.

I'm sure we can find problematic things with codeberg too if we look,
though.

I'm not sure if it is possible to operate a fully FSF-aligned public
software hosting site in todays hostile Internet world.  So maybe the
process can't be about finding the "best" hosting platform, but to find
the "least worse" one?

The least problematic alternatives I know of seems to be Savannah
(flaws: outdated UX, missing features, poor availability, unclear
self-hosting ability) and codeberg.org (flaws: some javascript required?
worse CI/CD than gitlab) followed by gitlab.com (flaws: many features
not available in 100% free software version, user accounts requires a
credit card and some countries are banned, a lot non-free javascript
required).  GitHub is not self-hostable at all, so it is the worst one.

Maybe the FSF could setup a forgejo instance and try to operate it?  As
a migration path from savannah, which I doubt is possible to rescue at
this point.  We need more fully free instances like codeberg, to
encourage decentralization.

Or go back to no public-facing source code repository, which probably
wouldn't be all that much of a problem for a project like InetUtils
which have very low patch activity.

>    I wouldn't consider this any official action, and I don't speak for the
>    InetUtils project, this is just a toy experiment to learn.
>
> Would you like to be a maintainer for GNU inetutils? Sergey is mostly
> MIA in the context of inetutils.

Yes please!

/Simon

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