Re: On issue #6776 (Petrucci flag glyphs)
Luise Flesch <[email protected]> Mon, 17 Nov 2025 13:09:58 -0300
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Hey again! Thanks for the notes :) I have a few samples of down-stem flags (I've not found two-flag glyphs yet), and a few observations. Firstly, the down-stem flags! They're more common than I would've thought despite Petrucci's weird stem direction rules. Here's some samples: [image: image.png] [image: image.png] [image: image.png] [image: image.png] [image: image.png] [image: image.png] There's this many to bring your attention to something peculiar: Petrucci puts the flag on the right like twice, and then never again, always on the left. I saw maybe three cases including those two first images of down-stem flags to the right of the stem? And then *always* left. Might be an “evolving style” thing bc he does the right flag in 1501 in the Odhecaton and afterwards it's always left flag. So there's something to consider or discard (or turn into a property for the user to tweak, idk). There's also the question of whether the lil point of the flag should touch the staff line or not, like in the second note of the first sample. (It's also worth noting that the second edition of all the Motetti de la corona books, Pasoti & Dorico lean more regular mensural with their flags while retaining other aspects of Petrucci's style:) [image: image.png] As for two-flag glyphs!! I've scoured about half the IMSLP archive now (and thrown in a few encyclopaedias lmao), and I've not found anything, so I'm disinclined to believe it exists, especially since 32nd notes seem to have been more confined to treaties on notation, and Petrucci's catalogue goes up to like 1519 and it's ALL sacred music. I'll keep looking! If it just Does Not Exist, personally I'd recommend an incomplete second flag glyph, since two flags stacked would look hella ugly in Petrucci's flag style imo. Smth llike this, but not made in inkscape in 5min: [image: image.png] And finally, a suggestion borne of Distraction™: neo-mensural flags for smth thicker and shorter. I personally recommend these from Playford's Apollo's Banquet (1669): [image: image.png] [image: image.png] [image: image.png] [image: image.png] They're nice and compact, though bro is not too consistent in whether the second flag is open or closed. This is just bc the regular ly mensural double- and triple-flag glyphs are too tall really. Ok I'm done essaying sorry for the giant e-mail. If y'all want links to where I found each sample just lmk. Back to searching :) Luise
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