Re: Style for Editorial Rests
Lukas-Fabian Moser <[email protected]> Thu, 25 Jun 2026 10:54:36 +0200
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Hi Vaughan, > I grew up with transposed scores like this- for me, 5 flats is as > clean as any other key. I did spend my teenage years playing Böhm’s > flute études in all 24 keys, which maybe not every chorister has done. > I have seen younger singers who have been trained to transpose be put > off by the key signatures, especially if they specialise in early > music. In the tablet era this is less of a problem except for the > conductor knowing how to refer to particular notes. > > If you are really put off by 5 flats, you might put it in 2 sharps and > specify to sing it at A=415Hz, as most absolute pitch singers these > days should have at least some experience with baroque pitch. Not meaning to provoke a prolonged argument about what Gabriel rightly described as a "long-standing debate" - in the "original written key vs. transpose to sounding pitch" debate for Franco-Flemish music, both sides have valid arguments, they only have differing priorities -, but I just want to point out that, at least for me personally, the discomfort at seeing a Lasso piece with ♭♭♭♭♭ does not stem from a general dislike of multi-accidental key signatures. (These are great in Bruckner, or Janáček, or Brian Wilson!) Instead, for me it is an expression of the discomfort felt at seeing a piece of music, written in some specific historical time, notated using pitches of which the original composer had no notion. Mozart, even Bach could have written a piece in F♯ major just as easily as in F major (although they usually chose not to, both for reasons of tradition/convention and reasons of tuning), while for Lasso, that notion would literally be inconceivable. The idea of arbitrary transposition had not been born yet. More concretely, for a Mixolydian piece like /Genuit puerpera regem/, the choice is not whether to write in G-mixolydian, F-mixolydian, D-mixolydian, A♭-mixolydian etc., but only whether to write in the "original" mixolydian or the "transposed" mixolydian (C-Mixolydian, with ♭ key signature). (I'm lying a bit here, since I'm not really an expert on the historical development of key signatures and the gradual emergence of ideas such as double transposition = ♭♭ key signature with F-Mixolydian.) But, as I said, there are also good reasons to create a performing edition in "A♭ mixolydian" if that, pitch definitions being what they are these days, is what's used in a specific performance. Lukas