Re: Emacs info again?
Bill Harris <[email protected]> Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:59:17 -0700
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--===============7698934839208978410== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f4f5e80cb45085fd960568406a85" --f4f5e80cb45085fd960568406a85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Oops. I did "sudo install-info mcsim.info ." (well, I was in the right directory, so . is the "dir" into which I want to install, right? I guess not.) That did the job. Thanks! I'll ignore xmcsim (I think I've tried it only once or twice, so it's not a huge loss. I seem to recall a bit of time savings in doing quick exploratory graphs, but that's been years ago, so I may be mis-remembering.) And I do know where my examples directory is, so that's no problem. Bill On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 10:25 AM, fredomatic <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, the doc, examples, xmcsim directories are not installed in share/. > Not sure that too many people would find them there. And XMCSim needs > some cleaning up (I think that nobody uses it :-( > > For install-info, you should first copy mcsim.info in /usr/share/info > and from that directory do (exactly) > "sudo install-info mcsim.info dir" > dir is not a directory, it is actually the info directory file (you > should check before that it exists). It's kind of stupid to call a file > "dir" and that makes the man pages for install-info rather confusing. > > Frederic > > > On 25/03/2018 17:19, Bill Harris wrote: > > tl;dr: I can create the info file, and it works, but install-info fails, > > and I think I found the issue. In addition, xmcsim doesn't seem to get > > installed, and there eis no examples dir in /usr/local/share/mcsim (but > > that may be correct). > > > > Step 1: Yes, *info* is in /usr/share/info. > > > > Step 2: I thought my mcsim/doc directory would be in /usr/local/share/, > > but that only contains mod and sim. I searched to see if it could be > > elsewhere, but it isn't: > > > > /usr$ find . -name mcsim* -print > > ./local/share/mcsim > > > > Is that a problem? I had thought I might have directory entries there > > for doc, examples, and perhaps even xmcsim. > > > > I still have the directory in my home directory where I built it, and I > > did run makeinfo mcsim.texi yesterday in that doc directory. Since the > > argument to makeinfo appears to be the input file and my doc directory > > contains mcsim.texi, I figured that was correct. It created a > > mcsim.info <http://mcsim.info> file in that same directory. I think > > that worked, because I can run `info mcsim` in that directory and get > > what looks like a valid info session. > > > > Step 3: I did not know or at least remember the install-info command. I > > should have tried the C-u C-h i trick, though; info works from there, > too. > > > > Running that command failed: > > > > /usr/share/info# install-info mcsim.info <http://mcsim.info> . > > install-info: .: empty file > > > > Reading ftp://ftp.gnu.org/old-gnu/Manuals/texinfo-3.9/html_ > chapter/texinfo_23.html > > made it sound like the mcsim.info <http://mcsim.info> file needed > > @dircategory and @direntry, but I don't see them in the file. Is that > > perhaps the issue? > > > > One more issue: While I haven't used xmcsim much in the past, I tried > > it, and it doesn't seem to work: > > > > /usr$ find . -name xmcsim -print > > $ xmcsim > > bash: xmcsim: command not found > > /usr$ > > > > FYI, and thanks for your quick reply. I /think/ I did the install > > according to the instructions, but feel free to point out mistakes I may > > have made. > > > > Bill > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 12:35 AM, fredomatic <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > I will look into why it's still not done automatically. For now you > can > > do a few things: > > - find where your info directory is (in emacs do "C-h i" and then > > "C-x C-f", that should do). Typically that is /usr/share/info. > > - Then in your mcsim/doc directory do "makeinfo mcsim.texinfo" if you > > have not done it already > > - Then "sudo install-info mcsim.info <http://mcsim.info> > > /usr/share/info/dir" (the dir file > > in your info directory. > > > > That will make a permanent link to the mcsim.info > > <http://mcsim.info> file in the info dir > > file. Now whenever you type "info mcsim" that should bring you > there, or > > if you type just "info" mcsim will appear in the GNU Packages > section. > > > > Rather than leaving mcsim.info <http://mcsim.info> in mcsim/doc you > > may want to sudo copy it > > to the info directory and do sudo install-info in that directory. > > > > For emacs: I'm not using info from there, so I'm not the best > adviser, > > but if you do "C-u C-h i" it will ask you which info file to read. If > > you are already in info (C-h i) it will propose the system info > > directory. So if you have copied mcsim.info <http://mcsim.info> > > there that would be quick. > > There is also a couple of emacs variables you can set to find it more > > quickly. > > > > Best regards > > > > Frederic > > > > > > On 24/03/2018 17:59, Bill Harris wrote: > > > Fifteen months ago, I got help here installing Emacs info for MCSim > > > 5.6.5 > > > (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-mcsim/2016- > 12/msg00001.html > > <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-mcsim/2016-12/msg00001.html > >). > > > Now I'm curious about the same question for 6.0.0 on Debian 9. > > > > > > As root, I ran makeinfo mcsim.texi in my local copy of the doc > directory > > > (~/bin/mcsim-6.0.0/doc/), and it produced a mcsim.info < > http://mcsim.info> > > > <http://mcsim.info> file in that directory. I cd'd up one level > > and ran > > > make install. Even after restarting *info*, I see no mcsim entry, > and > > > /usr/local/share/mcsim only has mod and sim directories. > > > > > > Is there somewhere else I should look? Is there something else I > should > > > do? I have a vague recollection from the past that it just used to > > > work, so I'm reluctant to start moving files and editing *info* > indices > > > manually unless someone convinces me that's the right way to go. > > > > > > BTW, 6.0.0 looks like a major advance over 5.6; thanks! > > > > > > Bill > > > -- > > > Bill Harris > > > http://makingsense.facilitatedsystems.com/ > > <http://makingsense.facilitatedsystems.com/> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Help-mcsim mailing list > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-mcsim > > <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-mcsim> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bill Harris > > http://makingsense.facilitatedsystems.com/ > -- Bill Harris http://makingsense.facilitatedsystems.com/ --f4f5e80cb45085fd960568406a85 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Oops.=C2=A0 I did=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);= font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-varian= t-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:= normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:nor= mal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-styl= e:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">"su= do install-info<span>=C2=A0</span></span><a href=3D"http://mcsim.info/" rel= =3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family= :arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures= :normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text= -align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-sp= acing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">mcsim.info</a><span style=3D"c= olor:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style= :normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:= 400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:n= one;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);t= ext-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;displ= ay:inline"><span>=C2=A0.</span>" (well, I was in the right directory, = so . is the "dir" into which I want to install, right?=C2=A0 I gu= ess not.)</span><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,s= ans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;= font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:s= tart;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0p= x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-deco= ration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div><span= style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px= ;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f= ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-= transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255= ,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float= :none;display:inline">That did the job.=C2=A0 Thanks!</span></div><div><spa= n style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8p= x;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;= font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text= -transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(25= 5,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;floa= t:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34= ,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-v= ariant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spa= cing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-spac= e:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration= -style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I&#= 39;ll ignore xmcsim (I think I've tried it only once or twice, so it= 9;s not a huge loss.=C2=A0 I seem to recall a bit of time savings in doing = quick exploratory graphs, but that's been years ago, so I may be mis-re= membering.)</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family= :arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures= :normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text= -align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-sp= acing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;t= ext-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><d= iv><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-siz= e:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:= normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0= px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color= :rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initi= al;float:none;display:inline">And I do know where my examples directory is,= so that's no problem.</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,= 34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-va= riant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spac= ing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space= :normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-= style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>= </span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans= -serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;fon= t-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:star= t;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;b= ackground-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decorat= ion-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Bill</span></div></div><div cl= ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at = 10:25 AM, fredomatic <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:fredomatic@fre= e.fr" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockq= uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes, the doc, examples, xmcsim directories are not = installed in share/.<br> Not sure that too many people would find them there. And XMCSim needs<br> some cleaning up (I think that nobody uses it :-(<br> <br> For install-info, you should first copy <a href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel= =3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mcsim.info</a> in /usr/share/info<br> and from that directory do (exactly)<br> "sudo install-info <a href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">mcsim.info</a> dir"<br> dir is not a directory, it is actually the info directory file (you<br> should check before that it exists). It's kind of stupid to call a file= <br> "dir" and that makes the man pages for install-info rather confus= ing.<br> <br> Frederic<br> <span class=3D""><br> <br> On 25/03/2018 17:19, Bill Harris wrote:<br> > tl;dr: I can create the info file, and it works, but install-info fail= s,<br> > and I think I found the issue.=C2=A0 In addition, xmcsim doesn't s= eem to get<br> > installed, and there eis no examples dir=C2=A0 in /usr/local/share/mcs= im (but<br> > that may be correct).<br> ><br> > Step 1: Yes, *info* is in /usr/share/info.<br> ><br> > Step 2: I thought my mcsim/doc directory would be in /usr/local/share/= ,<br> > but that only contains mod and sim.=C2=A0 I=C2=A0 searched to see if i= t could be<br> > elsewhere, but it isn't:<br> ><br> > /usr$ find . -name mcsim* -print<br> > ./local/share/mcsim<br> ><br> > Is that a problem?=C2=A0 I had thought I might have directory entries = there<br> > for doc, examples, and perhaps even xmcsim.<br> ><br> > I still have the directory in my home directory where I built it, and = I<br> > did run=C2=A0makeinfo mcsim.texi=C2=A0 yesterday in that doc directory= .=C2=A0 Since the<br> > argument to makeinfo appears to be the input file and my doc directory= <br> > contains mcsim.texi, I figured that was correct.=C2=A0 It created a<br= > </span>> <a href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bla= nk">mcsim.info</a> <<a href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar= get=3D"_blank">http://mcsim.info</a>> file in that same directory.=C2=A0= I think<br> <span class=3D"">> that worked, because I can run `info mcsim` in that d= irectory and get<br> > what looks like a valid info session.<br> ><br> > Step 3: I did not know or at least remember the install-info command.= =C2=A0 I<br> > should have tried the C-u C-h i trick, though; info works from there, = too.<br> ><br> > Running that command failed:<br> ><br> </span>> /usr/share/info# install-info <a href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel= =3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mcsim.info</a> <<a href=3D"http://mcsi= m.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://mcsim.info</a>> .<br= > <span class=3D"">> install-info: .: empty file<br> ><br> > Reading=C2=A0<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.gnu.org/old-gnu/Manuals/texinfo-3.9/= html_chapter/texinfo_23.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ft= p.gnu.org/old-<wbr>gnu/Manuals/texinfo-3.9/html_<wbr>chapter/texinfo_23.htm= l</a><br> </span>> made it sound like the <a href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"nor= eferrer" target=3D"_blank">mcsim.info</a> <<a href=3D"http://mcsim.info"= rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://mcsim.info</a>> file needed= <br> <span class=3D"">> @dircategory and @direntry, but I don't see them = in the file.=C2=A0 Is that<br> > perhaps the issue?<br> ><br> > One more issue: While I haven't used xmcsim much in the past, I tr= ied<br> > it, and it doesn't seem to work:<br> ><br> > /usr$ find . -name xmcsim -print<br> > $ xmcsim<br> > bash: xmcsim: command not found<br> > /usr$=C2=A0<br> ><br> > FYI, and thanks for your quick reply.=C2=A0 I /think/ I did the instal= l<br> > according to the instructions, but feel free to point out mistakes I m= ay<br> > have made.<br> ><br> > Bill<br> ><br> ><br> > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 12:35 AM, fredomatic <<a href=3D"mailto:fre= [email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> </span><span class=3D"">> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= r">[email protected]</a>>> wrote:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Bill,<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I will look into why it's still not done automa= tically. For now you can<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0do a few things:<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- find where your info directory is (in emacs do &q= uot;C-h i" and then<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 "C-x C-f", that should do). Typica= lly that is /usr/share/info.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Then in your mcsim/doc directory do "makeinf= o mcsim.texinfo" if you<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 have not done it already<br> </span>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Then "sudo install-info <a href=3D"ht= tp://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mcsim.info</a> <<a= href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://mcs= im.info</a>><br> <span class=3D"">>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/usr/share/info/dir" (the dir= file<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 in your info directory.<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0That will make a permanent link to the <a href=3D"h= ttp://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mcsim.info</a><br> </span>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<<a href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"nor= eferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://mcsim.info</a>> file in the info dir<b= r> <span class=3D"">>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0file. Now whenever you type "= info mcsim" that should bring you there, or<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if you type just "info" mcsim will appear= in the GNU Packages section.<br> ><br> </span>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Rather than leaving <a href=3D"http://mcsim.= info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mcsim.info</a> <<a href=3D"ht= tp://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://mcsim.info</a>= > in mcsim/doc you<br> <span class=3D"">>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0may want to sudo copy it<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to the info directory and do sudo install-info in t= hat directory.<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0For emacs: I'm not using info from there, so I&= #39;m not the best adviser,<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0but if you do "C-u C-h i" it will ask you= which info file to read. If<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you are already in info (C-h i) it will propose the= system info<br> </span>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0directory. So if you have copied <a href=3D"= http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mcsim.info</a> <= <a href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://m= csim.info</a>><br> <span class=3D"">>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0there that would be quick.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0There is also a couple of emacs variables you can s= et to find it more<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0quickly.<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Best regards<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Frederic<br> ><br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 24/03/2018 17:59, Bill Harris wrote:<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Fifteen months ago, I got help here installing= Emacs info for MCSim<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 5.6.5<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (<a href=3D"https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html= /help-mcsim/2016-12/msg00001.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">htt= ps://lists.gnu.org/<wbr>archive/html/help-mcsim/2016-<wbr>12/msg00001.html<= /a><br> </span>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<<a href=3D"https://lists.gnu.org/archive= /html/help-mcsim/2016-12/msg00001.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank= ">https://lists.gnu.org/<wbr>archive/html/help-mcsim/2016-<wbr>12/msg00001.= html</a>>).=C2=A0<br> <span class=3D"">>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Now I'm curious about the= same question for 6.0.0 on Debian 9.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> As root, I ran makeinfo mcsim.texi in my local= copy of the doc directory<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (~/bin/mcsim-6.0.0/doc/), and it produced a <a= href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mcsim.info= </a> <<a href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"= >http://mcsim.info</a>><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <<a href=3D"http://mcsim.info" rel=3D"noref= errer" target=3D"_blank">http://mcsim.info</a>> file in that directory.= =C2=A0 I cd'd up one level<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and ran<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> make install.=C2=A0 Even after restarting *inf= o*, I see no mcsim entry, and<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> /usr/local/share/mcsim only has mod and sim di= rectories.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Is there somewhere else I should look?=C2=A0 I= s there something else I should<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> do?=C2=A0 I have a vague recollection from the= past that it just used to<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> work, so I'm reluctant to start moving fil= es and editing *info* indices<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> manually unless someone convinces me that'= s the right way to go.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> BTW, 6.0.0 looks like a major advance over 5.6= ; 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