Re: heads-up: 38 cleanup-maint patches

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jose E. Marchesi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     >     Re continuing to distribute gzip-compressed tarballs,
>     >     I have to ask "Why?"
>     >
>     > My only concern is breaking backwards compatibility in the distribution.
>     > Failing to provide .gz tarballs at the usual location _will_ break a
>     > good number of scripts, documents and protocols all around, creating
>     > inconveniences for many users.
>     >
>     > I don't feel particularly sanguine about it (xz rocks) but I don't
>     > really think the potential inconveniences are worth the benefits of
>     > distributing xz _only_.
>
>     While gzip use may be ok, in general, I have been sufficiently exposed
>     to its internals, and recall too well the massive amount of fall-out from
>     those CVEs, that I have no qualms about any such minor
>     inconvenience.
>
> I sympathize, but having to re-deliver data-packs and even entire
> projects only because a distribution url/location of a third-party
> product changed is not funny either.  It can be very expensive (as in
> money) and frustrating depending on how many scripts or documents have
> to be updated, tests and benchmarks re-executed (days, even weeks) and
> stupid quality/management protocols followed.  Not to mention it can
> create delays on the projects and angry managers shouting at you because
> of the budge.

The URL changes every time, regardless, though admittedly, the
.gz to .xz change will cause a few to adapt. I suspect most get
the link from the announcements.

> The above happened to me several times in my job and man it sucks when
> it happens.  On the contrary, I never ever triggered a security bug in
> gzip, to my knowledge.

And I hope you never do.
There have been exploitable bugs in many many tools.
That you have not personally noticed an abuse says little:
with a targeted exploit, you would be very unlikely to notice.

>     Weaning users off of gzip is to avoid the risk/impact (however small) of
>     a future gzip CVE. People have adapted just fine to downloading
>     and unpacking coreutils and grep's .tar.xz files for years.
>     What makes sed different?
>
> Well, they (we) definitely adapted.  "Just fine"?  Hopefully! :)

Thanks.