Re: CS installation on Mac os x

Alexandru Voicu <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.comp.graphics.crystalspace.devel
Message-ID <CANOKqHu__AYr_NTSoUT=HsheiSOZs8TV+orRsxtD9rVzBbLhHg@mail.gmail.com>
sudo ./configure --enable-debug with_x11=/usr/X11 -without-assimp
-without-curl -without-python

And the configure recognizes the following packages (are there any required
ones not present ?):

Found
  cg                   (rendering)
  freetype2            (other)
  jpeg                 (image)
  openal               (audio)
  opengl               (rendering)
  png                  (image)
  x11                  (rendering)
  zlib                 (other)

Cheers,
Alex.

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Weltall <[email protected]> wrote:

> what are you passing at configure?
>
>
> 2012/5/20 Alexandru Voicu <[email protected]>
>
>> I was trying to figure out if my dependencies are the same architecture
>> as my executable, using the *file* command.
>>
>> While doing that I have noticed that for walktest I have:
>>
>> file /usr/CS/walktest.app/Contents/MacOS/*walktest*
>>
>> /usr/CS/walktest.app/Contents/MacOS/walktest: Mach-O *executable* *i386*
>> *
>> *
>>
>> but for vfs.csbundle, I also have:
>>
>> file /usr/CS/*vfs.csbundle*
>>
>> /usr/CS/vfs.csbundle: Mach-O *executable* *i386*
>> *
>> *
>>
>> Shouldn't this be *Mach-O dynamically linked shared library i386 *rather
>> than *executable* *i386 *?
>>
>> Moreover, I did this for most of the libraries, but for some I don't know
>> which are used by CS by default. If I create a lib directory in CS will
>> they be chosen from there?
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Alex.
>>
>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Eric Sunshine <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like you have CS installed at two locations,
>>> /usr/local/lib/crystalspace-2.1 and /usr/CS/, and most of the warnings
>>> in the log stem from that issue.
>>>
>>> The actual error from the log, however, is this:
>>>
>>> DLERROR (/usr/CS/vfs.csplugin): dlopen(/usr/CS/vfs.csbundle, 10): no
>>> suitable image found.  Did find:
>>>        /usr/CS/vfs.csbundle: can't map unslidable segment __TEXT to
>>> 0x1000
>>> with size 0x62000
>>>
>>> Googling this error doesn't reveal much, but it very well could be due
>>> to the fact that the 3rd-party dependencies were built with a
>>> different compiler, or it could be an issue with how the tools were
>>> invoked to build CS itself.
>>>
>>> -- ES
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Alexandru Voicu
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > I have attached to the thread as well.
>>> > Sorry for the double email.
>>> >
>>> > Alex.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Alexandru Voicu
>>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, I did this, and it's the same output with system.log
>>> >>
>>> >> Alex.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:40 PM, weltall <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> go the the folder with the app (the cs root folder) and do
>>> >>> ./walktest.app/Content/MacOS/walktest
>>> >>> this way you'll get proper terminal output
>>> >>> Il giorno sab, 19/05/2012 alle 12.18 +0100, Alexandru Voicu ha
>>> scritto:
>>> >>> > Hey Eric,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Thanks for the suggestion, I added something similar
>>> >>> > to CS_IMPLEMENT_PLATFORM_PLUGIN in
>>> CS/include/csutil/macosx/csosdef.h
>>> >>> > and I only get a ld problem for two projects (sndsysopenal.csbundle
>>> >>> > and xwin.csbundle - but because OpenAL and Xaw7 were not found).
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > However, when I try to start any application the window closes. I
>>> >>> > tried running from the command line: 'open walktest.app/' and
>>> 'open -a
>>> >>> > walktest' with the same result. I have attached you system.log
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I have tried setting up the CRYSTAL environment var by:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >         defaults write NSGlobalDomain CrystalSpaceRoot
>>> "/usr/local/"
>>> >>> >         export CRYSTAL="/usr/local"
>>> >>> >         setenv CRYSTAL "/usr/local/"
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > but to the same result.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Thanks,
>>> >>> > Alex.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Eric Sunshine
>>> >>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>> >         This doesn't really appear to be a problem with the
>>> 3rd-party
>>> >>> >         dependences since it is stating that main() can not be
>>> found.
>>> >>> >         What is
>>> >>> >         the actual build command which fails? Is it building an
>>> >>> >         application at
>>> >>> >         this point or a plugin? If it's a plugin, then it may be
>>> the
>>> >>> >         case that
>>> >>> >         when CS is built with this particular compiler, the plugin
>>> >>> >         needs a
>>> >>> >         main(), as is the case with Unix. See, for instance,
>>> >>> >
>>> CS/include/csutil/unix/csosdef.h:CS_IMPLEMENT_PLATFORM_PLUGIN.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >         -- ES
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >         On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Alexandru Voicu
>>> >>> >         <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>> >         > Hi Jonathan,
>>> >>> >         >
>>> >>> >         > I also tried to install CS on lion, see
>>> >>> >         >
>>> >>> >         thread:
>>> >>> > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=29230297
>>> >>> >         > At the moment I have installed XCode 4.1 and changed
>>> gcc, g
>>> >>> >         ++, cc and c++
>>> >>> >         > to i686-apple-darwin11-gcc-4.2.1 instead
>>> >>> >         > of i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2. Everything compiles
>>> >>> >         (make install as
>>> >>> >         > well from what I saw) and the executables are built, but
>>> I
>>> >>> >         have some linking
>>> >>> >         > problems (so they don't really run):
>>> >>> >         >
>>> >>> >         >
>>> >>> >         > Undefined symbols for architecture i386:
>>> >>> >         >   "_main", referenced from:
>>> >>> >         >       __start in crt1.o
>>> >>> >         > ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture i386
>>> >>> >         > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>>> >>> >         >
>>> >>> >         >
>>> >>> >         > I think it might be cause by the fact that the
>>> dependencies
>>> >>> >         were compiled
>>> >>> >         > with the old llvm compiler so I should probably recompile
>>> >>> >         them. I'll do that
>>> >>> >         > these days and email if it works.
>>> >>> >         >
>>> >>> >         > Cheers,
>>> >>> >         > Alex.
>>> >>> >         >
>>> >>> >         > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Dixon
>>> >>> >         <[email protected]>
>>> >>> >         > wrote:
>>> >>> >         >>
>>> >>> >         >> Hi Christian,
>>> >>> >         >>
>>> >>> >         >> Sorry for my mistake indeed the '-' is not required. I
>>> may
>>> >>> >         have been a bit
>>> >>> >         >> early in sending through the email, although i got a lot
>>> >>> >         further on the
>>> >>> >         >> make, CS is failing to 'make install' so possibly
>>> changing
>>> >>> >         the compiler from
>>> >>> >         >> gcc to clang may not make any difference.
>>> >>> >         >>
>>> >>> >         >> I will continue to try to resolve this issue and keep
>>> you
>>> >>> >         updated
>>> >>> >         >>
>>> >>> >         >> Thanks
>>> >>> >         >>
>>> >>> >         >> Jonathan
>>> >>> >         >>
>>> >>> >         >>
>>> >>> >         >> On 18 May 2012 14:24, Christian Van Brussel
>>> >>> >         >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>> >         >>>
>>> >>> >         >>> Hi,
>>> >>> >         >>>
>>> >>> >         >>> Tanks for the tip!
>>> >>> >         >>>
>>> >>> >         >>> I'm updating the manual but would like to be sure to
>>> >>> >         provide some good
>>> >>> >         >>> example. I have several questions for that:
>>> >>> >         >>>
>>> >>> >         >>> * In your example, you have a '-' before the 'CC'
>>> option,
>>> >>> >         although this
>>> >>> >         >>> doesn't seem to be allowed. Aren't the real options to
>>> be
>>> >>> >         used
>>> >>> >         >>> './configure CC=/usr/bin/clang CXX=/usr/bin/clang++' ?
>>> >>> >         >>>
>>> >>> >         >>> * Are your additional options given to 'make' really
>>> >>> >         useful? Shouldn't
>>> >>> >         >>> simply 'make' or 'jam' be enough?
>>> >>> >         >>>
>>> >>> >         >>> * Finally, I guess a better example would use gcc
>>> instead
>>> >>> >         of clang, ie
>>> >>> >         >>> './configure CC=/usr/bin/gcc CXX=/usr/bin/g++'
>>> >>> >         >>>
>>> >>> >         >>>
>>> >>> >         >>>
>>> >>> >         >>> On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 12:27 +0100, Jonathan Dixon
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> >         >>> > Hi All,
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> > I have managed to resolve this issue and i would
>>> >>> >         recommend an update
>>> >>> >         >>> > to the install guide. First users will need to
>>> install
>>> >>> >         clang and clang
>>> >>> >         >>> > ++
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> > Then do ./configure -CC=/usr/bin/clang
>>> >>> >         CXX=/usr/bin/clang++
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> > Followed by
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> > make  -CC=/usr/bin/clang CXX=/usr/bin/clang++
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> > Hope that helps someone else
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> > Thanks
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> > Jonathan
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> > On 18 May 2012 12:07, Jonathan Dixon
>>> >>> >         <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>> >         >>> >         Wow, well thats very kind of Apple. Have you
>>> got
>>> >>> >         any
>>> >>> >         >>> >         recommendations for an alternative. Would it
>>> >>> >         just be worth
>>> >>> >         >>> >         using a linux machine instead of mac as this
>>> >>> >         isnt the first
>>> >>> >         >>> >         issue i have had with development on the mac.
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >         Thanks for the help
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >         On 18 May 2012 12:00, Weltall
>>> >>> >         <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>> >         >>> >                 The c++ compiler in xcode 4 doesn't
>>> >>> >         support the c++
>>> >>> >         >>> >                 standard. It might sound like a joke
>>> but
>>> >>> >         apple shipped
>>> >>> >         >>> >                 an incomplete compiler. The thunk
>>> issue
>>> >>> >         is at code
>>> >>> >         >>> >                 generation. So the code is correctly
>>> >>> >         parsed but the
>>> >>> >         >>> >                 backend doesn't know how to create
>>> the
>>> >>> >         assembly code
>>> >>> >         >>> >                 for the target. To make it easy you
>>> need
>>> >>> >         another
>>> >>> >         >>> >                 compiler
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >                 On May 18, 2012 11:45 AM, "Jonathan
>>> >>> >         Dixon"
>>> >>> >         >>> >                 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         Hi Everyone,
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         I am having a bit of trouble
>>> >>> >         installing
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         crystal space on mac osx
>>> lion. I
>>> >>> >         have checked
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         and double checked all the
>>> >>> >         requirements, i
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         have tried using make and jam
>>> >>> >         but cannot get
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         it to install. i have saved a
>>> >>> >         log of
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         my ./configure and make
>>> command
>>> >>> >         output.
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         Log file :
>>> >>> >         http://pastebin.com/nrRgixYZ
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         If anyone can suggest what
>>> the
>>> >>> >         problem is i
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         would be most grateful
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         Thanks
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >
>>> >>> >         >>> >                         Jonathan
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