Re: Inkscape can be extremely frustrating

Am 30.08.2018 um 10:48 schrieb C R:
> The problem is there is no agreed upon solution. But I think Inkscape
> should never draw an invisible object anyway. 
> 
> Particularly,
> 
> 1. If both fill and stroke are set to none, Inkscape should resort to
> the Inkscape default setting of the bezier tool, which is black and
> white without dashed lines. Drawing an invisible shape is an error. 
> 
> 2. If the user modifies the line width, and the line is set to "none",
> Inkscape should set the colour of the line to the Inkscape default : black. 
1. CR, how would users create invisible objects that are needed, then?
(e.g. for alignment, or for text-on-path etc.?)

2. One could have multiple objects selected and be changing their line
width, and then suddenly some get a black contour... Imagine having a
group, for example, with stroked and unstroked objects.

I'd prefer keeping as is / having a noob mode that enables these kinds
of helps / or putting the stroke style dialog and the stroke color
dialog in a way that one can clearly see that there's no color assigned,
when changing the stroke width (I always found it annoying that those
are separate...).

Maren

> I think this is a better solution than setting the default behaviour of
> Inkscape to a bad workflow - users should not be getting used to having
> to change the colour of the line and stroke each and every time they
> draw something. It is not intuitive because when you draw in real life
> you pick up a pen which is the colour you want and draw with it until
> you are done, then choose another colour when you want a different one. 
> 
> 
> -C
> 
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 07:59 K B, <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi, Brynn:  
>     Thank you for the Link about the Bug fix.  Since Inkscape is free,
>     maybe the creators
>     are not very motivated to fix everything about  it ?
> 
>     If it were a high price program like Adobe Illustrator, there would
>     have enough money to
>     pay programmers to fix it and make it better. 
> 
>     Ken
> 
>     On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:47 PM brynn <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>         Some developers may remember a message I posted to the mailing
>         lists some time
>         ago, maybe a year or 2 ago, asking to have at least some of the
>         tools set for
>         Own Style (by default) rather than Last Used, to prevent this
>         kind of utter
>         confusion among new users.
> 
>         At first, on the mailing list, some developers sort of hijacked
>         it into their
>         own different project.
> 
>         But ultimately (in a bug report) one developer suggested a
>         reasonable solution.
>         See this bug report: 
>         https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1704777
> 
>         If anyone else (developers) could chime in on that solution,
>         perhaps we could
>         get it coded into one of the next new versions, and prevent this
>         type of
>         headache for new users?
> 
>         Thank you very much,
>         brynn
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: K B
>         Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:30 PM
>         To: [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]>
>         Subject: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape can be extremely frustrating
> 
> 
>         All I want to do to begin with is draw a simple Line Circle.
>         (white background
>         with white inside the circle).
> 
>         But instead it draws a dashed-rectangle with (4) little
>         squares.  Two squares
>         are on the rectangle and the other two are outside.  So, I go
>         into: Edit,
>         Preferences and the Circle it not even listed under Shapes!   Crazy.
> 
>         Does anybody know what I should do?
> 
>         Thank you.
> 
>         Ken
> 
> 
> 
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