Re: new forum, what happened? make a plan?

This echos my understanding. The new forum is supposed to attract a trickle
of new members, so that there is actually incentive to make the migration
for those in the old forum.

-C

On Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 16:20 <[email protected] wrote:

> Hi Brynn,
>
> On the subject of development: It's not still in development, slowed or
> stopped. It's waiting for management. Think of me as a resource to be
> used to help get this project off the ground, not as a manager who is
> driving it.
>
> On membership: I wouldn't focus too much on the old forum, focus on
> building a new forum with new members. We haven't done any marketing
> for the new forum, haven't invited people from our other outreach
> areas.
>
> I don't know who told you we should keep the forum closed until the old
> forum is dead. But that's a terrible strategy. The new forum is a solid
> base, but what it needs is a fresh population, not resentful users from
> previous forums.
>
> But this is just my thoughts on membership. It's really up to the
> management.
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
> On Sat, 2019-01-26 at 00:02 -0700, brynn wrote:
> > Oh yes, I realize the new forum is still being worked on.  I didn't
> > mean to
> > imply it wasn't.  I just had the impression it had slowed down, and
> > there was no
> > longer a priority to get it open.
> >
> > I was told the plan was to let the old forum keep running as long as
> > it will,
> > which to me, is the same limbo we've been in, for so long now.  (And
> > in my
> > opinion, not a good idea, for what I thought would be obvious
> > reasons.)
> >
> > I'm definitely commited, but since I don't have the development
> > skills, I don't
> > understand what work still needs to be done.  So I think it would be
> > helpful to
> > make a plan -- at least to have an outline of the next steps, so that
> > everyone
> > is on the same page.
> >
> > If the folks working on the development could say what still needs to
> > be done, I
> > could write up tasks in a gitlab Issue (I'm not sure if there already
> > is an
> > issue or not, but I'll look).
> >
> > And there's another potential problem that needs to be addressed as
> > well
> > (probably a few actually).  It seems most of the membership of
> > InkscapeForum is
> > not interested in the new forum.  When I posted the message inviting
> > them to
> > test it, there was little to no response.  I didn't specifically
> > address the
> > fact that the old forum would be closed, and they didn't seem to pick
> > up on the
> > many hints.  It sounds like they are expecting the old forum to stay
> > open.  We
> > haven't broached that subject of closing it yet, publicly (except for
> > this
> > message - I'm not sure if any forum members subscribe to this list).
> >
> > Plus, they somehow think I instigated the new forum, which renewed
> > the same wild
> > assumptions they made when I opened Inkscape Community (that I wanted
> > to take
> > over, or divide the forum, or steal members, or whatever nonsense
> > they
> > imagined).
> >
> > So when the time comes to open the new forum and close the old one,
> > that word
> > will need to come probably from the board.  In any case, I should
> > probably no
> > longer be "the messenger" regarding the new forum.
> >
> > If you need forum management, maybe we need to work up the forum
> > rules or
> > guidelines (or whatever we call them)?  And then we could go about
> > setting up
> > admins and moderators.  Is that the kind of management you mean?
> >
> > I'm not sure how we could use the forum any further, at this
> > point.  It seems to
> > have been tested in every way I can think of, except for heavy
> > traffic.  I don't
> > think it should be opened until we're ready to close the old one, for
> > several
> > reasons.
> >
> > But if you could share your list of paper cuts which still need
> > fixing, I could
> > help in prioritizing them.  (Maren might help too??)
> >
> > If we could find a way for the board to explain that the old forum is
> > going to
> > be closed, the members might be more willing to test the new
> > forum?  Maybe
> > they'd be more willing to be on the new staff too??  Here's the forum
> > thread
> > where I invited members to test the new forum:
> > http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34311  So you can
> > see how
> > they're resistant.  I'm not sure how the best way to word it would
> > be, but we
> > could discuss it in real time, at some point, probably better than in
> > email.
> >
> > All best,
> > brynn
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 6:15 PM
> > To: Inkscape User Community
> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] new forum, what happened? make a plan?
> >
> > Hi Brynn,
> >
> > Sorry if it seems like the website forum is in limbo, it's not. It's
> > very functional I think on the core and has a great number of the
> > functionalities asked for.
> >
> > The questions now are so fold:
> >
> > 1. Do we have someone like yourself who is willing and able to doing
> > the management work to make the new forum work? We need people who
> > are
> > committed being in the key seats to really get things moving.
> >
> > 2. The inkscape-web team is at your disposal. (or at the disposal of
> > the management of the forum). It will from time to time appear like I
> > get distracted easily like a dog chasing squirrels. And that
> > appearance
> > is entirely true. Greater use of the forum, and direction by someone
> > in
> > charge would greatly help keeping things focused and prioritising
> > which
> > of the many small paper-cuts is the most important.
> >
> > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> >
> > On Fri, 2019-01-25 at 23:41 +0000, C R wrote:
> > > Correct if wrong, but I got the impression that it's still being
> > > worked on.
> > > I'm liaising with Doctormo, and Jabier to try and integrate the
> > > visual stylings of the new forum with our current website.
> > > If it's true that we're going back into a state of limbo do tell me
> > > so I don't do extra work for nothing! :)
> >
> >
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