how mailing lists work (was FW: Majordomo results: ...)

"Sal Mangiapane" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've seen people send a message to this list asking to unsubscribe.
> Well I think I know why.  I tried to unsubscribe and I still get email from this list.
> Hopefully, this email will help with this process.
> Enjoyed lurking here, but I need to move on.

Big hint:  mailing list software isn't omniscient.  If you subscribe
with address "A", you had better unsubscribe with the same address.
Trying to do so from "B", as you did, doesn't cut it:

> >>>> unsubscribe png-list
> **** unsubscribe: '<[email protected]>' is not a member of list 'png-list'.
> **** contact "[email protected]" if you need help.

One year ago:

>> From [email protected]  Fri Apr 18 02:49:13 2003
>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 04:49:09 -0500 (CDT)
>> To: [email protected]
>> From: [email protected]
>> Subject: SUBSCRIBE png-list [email protected]
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> [email protected] has been added to png-list.
>> No action is required on your part.

If you (plural "you") can't remember that long, then I strongly suggest
you make a habit of saving all subscribe messages, in their entirety, in
some obvious and permanent place for future reference.  In addition, if
you honestly can't unsubscribe from the old address and your software
doesn't allow you to fake the "From:" line with the old value, then I
equally strongly suggest you use a *good* subject line in your followup
message to the approval address--for example:

	having trouble unsubscribing from png-list
or
	can't unsubscribe from png-implement, png-list, etc.

Any subject line that looks like spam (like, say, "Hi" or "help") or
generic list noise ("Re: Majordomo results") goes straight into the bit-
bucket.

Finally, note that *any* list message with the word-fragment "subscri"
anywhere in it is going to bounce, and there's a greater-than-70% chance
I will never notice.  I typically get 50 or more bounces a day, 99.9% of
which (literally) are spam or Win32 viruses/trojans/worms, and I've got
better things to do than wade through that nonsense.  Here's today's crop,
and if it doesn't look like a real person at this level (i.e., single
bounce, "real" name in quotes, reasonably matching username), I won't
even open it:

Non-member submission from ["Lee Oneal" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Lee Oneal" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Kate Morton" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Darren Kiser" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Darren Kiser" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Darren Kiser" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Ç÷¯½º·Ð" <eeozz7700v4xs-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Ç÷¯½º·Ð" <eeozz7700v4xs-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Ç÷¯½º·Ð" <eeozz7700v4xs-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Marisa Mock" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["±ÝÀ¶" <EGMiiJ753624856-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["±ÝÀ¶" <EGMiiJ753624856-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["±ÝÀ¶" <EGMiiJ753624856-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from [ANDEC - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ASSOCIA=C7=C3O?= DE DEFESA DOS CONSUMIDORES DE =?ISO-8859-1?Q?CR=C9DITO?= - REGIONAL =?ISO-8859-1?Q?RIBEIR=C3O?= PRETO-SP <juridicoregionalrp.andec-jatbLxuxqqVfyO9Q7EP/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from [ANDEC - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ASSOCIA=C7=C3O?= DE DEFESA DOS CONSUMIDORES DE =?ISO-8859-1?Q?CR=C9DITO?= - REGIONAL =?ISO-8859-1?Q?RIBEIR=C3O?= PRETO-SP <juridicoregionalrp.andec-jatbLxuxqqVfyO9Q7EP/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Donnell Travis" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Donnell Travis" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Tania Krueger" <395jogb-/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Mike Judd" <bmhsjlfzzwfe-Di/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["·Ð·Ð" <SDDinY348022401-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["·Ð·Ð" <SDDinY348022401-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["·Ð·Ð" <SDDinY348022401-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["·Ð·Ð" <ADIuuN590485393-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["·Ð·Ð" <ADIuuN590485393-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["·Ð·Ð" <ADIuuN590485393-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Áê¾ó¸®" <tyerfghgdsd-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["¹«·áÁõÁ¤" <VVEcsA428070247-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["¹«·áÁõÁ¤" <VVEcsA428070247-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["¹«·áÁõÁ¤" <VVEcsA428070247-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["luxvip" <iobg97763698-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["luxvip" <iobg97763698-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["luxvip" <iobg97763698-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["·Ð¹ðÅ©" <FUSubH197347343-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["·Ð¹ðÅ©" <FUSubH197347343-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["·Ð¹ðÅ©" <FUSubH197347343-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Marcie Friedman" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from [=?koi8-r?B?58HX0snMxc7LzyDzxdLHxcog4NLYxdfJ3iA=?= <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from [<frank1-M9s2MVikPwtWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from [<frank1-M9s2MVikPwtWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from [<frank1-M9s2MVikPwtWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from [<frank1-M9s2MVikPwtWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["storage" <storage-cqm938LE7I89wx8DUYedqAC/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["storage" <storage-cqm938LE7I89wx8DUYedqAC/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Christian Waters" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Christian Waters" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Stacey Irving" <sccxzay-/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Young Carrillo" <carrillo_de-Sj/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Young Carrillo" <carrillo_de-Sj/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Áê¾ó¸®" <tyerfghgdsd-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["´ëÃâÁ¤º¸" <nxbcvf-/O8JBA8f2/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from [Yahoo! Groups <confirm-s2-vmLUxeQGtljJghXhm62FklgCaXc-png-implement=ccrc.wustl.edu-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org>]
Non-member submission from ["Sanford North" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Sanford North" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Sanford North" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Tim Engel" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Tim Engel" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Tim Engel" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from [=?Big5?B?q0ilzqVkpKSk3w==?= <lkjgfs-UA/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["»óºÐ°ñ" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["»óºÐ°ñ" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["»óºÐ°ñ" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Margarita Cox" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Margarita Cox" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Margarita Cox" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Christian Louis" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Bobbie Sheets" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Bobbie Sheets" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Lucio Ambrose" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Lucio Ambrose" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Lucinda Hooper" <lucinda_hoopersz-o+U4j/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Lucinda Hooper" <lucinda_hoopersz-o+U4j/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Wiley Gee" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Wiley Gee" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Áê¾ó¸®" <tyerfghgdsd-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Áê¾ó¸®" <tyerfghgdsd-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Wiley Gee" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Áê¾ó¸®" <tyerfghgdsd-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Katharine Fernandez" <84sahiyhtl-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Katharine Fernandez" <84sahiyhtl-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Katharine Fernandez" <84sahiyhtl-/E1597aS9LT7Za/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Sal Mangiapane" <[email protected]>]   Admin request of type /\bunsubscribe\b/i at line 1  Admin request of type /\bunsubscribe\b/i at line 3
Non-member submission from ["\J\I\l\l" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["\J\I\l\l" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["\J\I\l\l" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Antranig Escamilla"<existentialismignoring-XZoyATsUNX5Wk0Htik3J/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["Imelda Merlino"<[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["À̹̼±" <[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["¹ÚÀº¿µ" <jfrjf9384-/[email protected]>]
Non-member submission from ["À̹̼±" <[email protected]>]

Can you spot the real one in today's mess?  (Well, OK, the rest of
this message is a pretty big hint...)

Greg

P.S.  Anyone who thinks they can do better, please contact Adam and me
      and we'll gladly make you the list mom.

P.P.S.  This message, too, is guaranteed to bounce; I'll have to watch
        for it just so I can approve my own message.  Sigh.  I think I'll
        bcc png-implement and mng-list, too, just to avoid doing this again
        in a couple of months.  And, to avoid lots of cross-posting noise,
        I'll bcc png-list itself, too.  (Just so everyone knows why they're
        getting this...)


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