Re: Proper setup for a book

Hi,

thanks Gregory and Silvain. This is not a professional project. Most likely
I am going to print it on my own laser printer on DIN A4 paper or in a
local print shop.

I have attached an archive with the two possibilities that I have been
talking about.

no_horizontal_distance has the pages next to each other.
horizontal distance has 20mm distance between the pages.

The generated PDF looks the same in both cases but the horizontal_distance
one is harder to create:

- Create a image frame on the left page with size 376mm x 236mm.
- Scale the image non-proportionaly to the frame (Is not necessary if the
image has the right proportions) by letting it fit into the frame.
- Change to free scaling such that the following step does not change the
picture.
- Reduce the image frame to 191mm x 236mm. Position the frame at (-3mm,
-3mm). The left page is done.
- Copy the image frame and paste it to the right page.
- Change the x-position of the picture inside the frame to -185mm.

The horizontal distance PDF seems to include the image twice and is twice
as large.


Am Do., 27. Feb. 2020 um 15:55 Uhr schrieb Silvain Dupertuis <
[email protected]>:

> Normally, you *do not have to put internal bleed*.
> If a picture (or another element) gets right to the inner border of the
> page, it should be
> cropped just at the border of the paper.
> The only exception being if you want a picture to extend on two adjacent
> pages, but this
> would be reliable only in case this is the middle page of a "signature" -
> for exemple, if
> they are printed as group of 16 pages, that would be p.8-9, 24-25, 40-41,
> etc., and even
> though, a part of the picture would be hidden by the binding...
>
> Le 27.02.20 à 21:08, Gregory Pittman a écrit :
> > On 2/27/20 3:49 AM, Christoph Bartoschek wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I would like to create a book with Scribus but are unsure about a good
> >> setup. This is what I have:
> >>
> >> The two-side pages are 185mm x 230mm.  I want to print them on DIN A4
> >> (210mm x 297mm) and the pages will later be cut by the bookbinder. There
> >> should also be a 3mm bleed on all sides.
> >>
> >> The crop marks have the default length of 7mm.  The width of a page
> would
> >> now be:
> >>
> >> 185mm (page) + 2*3mm (bleed) + 2*7mm (crop marks) = 205mm.
> >>
> >> To get to the 210mm of DIN A4 I add an crop mark offset of 2.5mm. It
> seems
> >> the offset cannot be set differently for the different sides of the
> page.
> >> Thus to get to 297mm vertically I set the bleed on top and bottom to
> 24mm
> >> resulting in:
> >>
> >> 230mm (page) + 2*24mm (bleed) + 2*7mm (crop marks) + 2*2.5mm (crop
> offset)
> >> = 297mm
> >>
> >> Given this I wonder what the horizontal distance between the left and
> right
> >> pages should be. I get input for the book from other people and they
> would
> >> like to send me input that spans left and right. I see two major options
> >> for the horizontal distance:
> >>
> >> 0mm:  If I get a two page input which is 2*185mm + 2*3mm (bleed) = 376mm
> >> then I can just put it at position (-3mm, -3mm) of the left page and I
> get
> >> proper bleed for the left and right page even on the inner sides because
> >> the contents of the other page are added to the bleed. However, If I
> only
> >> want to completely fill one page (e.g the left one) then I see no good
> way
> >> to add the picture with inner bleed such that it does not appear on the
> >> also on the right page.  Or is there an option that an element is only
> >> considered for one page during export?
> >> One might argue that an inner border does not need bleed at all, but I
> >> would like to have one.
> >>
> >>> = 6mm:  Now the inner bleed of one page does overlap with the page
> >> contents of the other page. Properly positioning input on a single page
> >> works fine. However, the two page inputs cause problems. If I just
> expand
> >> them over the two pages then I loose some content in the middle.  To
> avoid
> >> this it seems that I have to add the content twice to the book, once for
> >> the left and once for the right page, and then shift and crop them such
> >> that each page shows the right content.  This requires careful
> >> calculations, especially if the input has to be scaled to fit. It's
> easy to
> >> make mistakes.
> >>
> >> For me it seems as if I have to go with >= 6mm as this is cumbersome but
> >> works. I am interested about what other people would choose in such a
> >> situation. Or is there something that I do completely wrong?
> > I think perhaps the best thing is to discuss the issues with your
> printer, sending a test document with these bleeds and crop marks.
> > There are situations where one might want an image on the inner part of
> a left page to spill over to the inner part of the adjacent right page.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
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