Re: Echo

On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 12:01:17AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 12:00:10AM +0200, humbaba wrote:
> > 
> > > > But when you take the time to explain something to somebody, next time 
> > > > he will be able to do this work without help.
> > > 
> > > It doesn't work that way.

Depens on the kind of newbie you have on hand. Some are actually
_interested_ in a topic, unless you do everything in your power to
disinterest them by, for example, being actively discouraging through
abusive wording and refusing to offer even the smallest hint at
explanation. We _had_ some very good newbies here. Thanks.


> > > Besides, once it's been done it won't *need*
> > > to be done again - if it does, then you've gone horribly wrong.

That may be so in an ideal world, but unfortunatly doesn't work always
that way in the real world. Else everybody but a few researchers would
be out of a job. (``Hey, I cleaned my room last year! It's WRONG to have
to do it again!!!1'')


> > I don't really understand your opinion about newbies. Do you really think
> > that a newbie is a stupid, dump machine that cannot learn something on
> > hisown?
> 
> The keyword here is *own*.

A little bit of help can do wonders. You're not helping, and while being
abusive may have it's uses, you're clearly over-using it to absurdity.
I'm not sure if you _mean_ to do that, but I am sure you'd do well to at
least _try_ to improve on this.

Let me put it this way; Everybody including newbies still here is in
this, because it's fun to do, and the possible rewards are promising,
and we all learn something by doing it. In that light, it simply does
not help anybody to call somebody else's idea insane without offering a
detailed explanation as to why you think that is so. If you know so much
better, you can back that statement up, right? Can you?

Please concentrate on putting more useful information to the rest of
the list members in your sentences. If they grow a bit larger than
the absolute minimum length you deem possible, well, so be it.


> > Do you really think that a newbie cannot learn from a solution
> > of a problem and can only solve exactly the same problem and not create
> > his own solution for similar problems?
> 
> Usually? No, he can't.

Oh fer fscks sake, not all newbies are of the ``I need to tyep my
letturhs and wanna me induhnet ana dunna wanna think about it!!1''
variety. We were all newbies once. How'd you get out of that pit, for
instance?


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