Re: Re: about your concept

On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 03:42:29PM -0500, James Harr wrote:
> 
> With Y's modularness it shouldn't be hard to provide a proxy driver that 
> simply wraps around to other calls, although even a simple wrapper driver 
> might slow things down.

Given that Y is incredibly lightweight (well, it is now), and it's meant
as a transitional thing only (even if it takes 20 years to get everybody
off X and on Y) I think the cost of wrapping should be affordable.


[snippety]
> You don't really need to know how to talk X, you need to know how to
> talk X drivers. The drivers really just draw crap on screens, they
> don't worry about the protocol at all. Unless the drivers are really
> that bloated :p

No, you're right those are different things. I ment the driver interface,
not the, err, X protocol interface. Should have said that. Anyway.


[snip]
> > Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate your effort and
> > ideas, but be wary that while the foundations are utterly cool, there
> > does unfortunately not seem to be much of an environment to nurture and
> > grow the ideas in.
> 
> Haha, you noticed that too :)

Well, it was hard to miss. People publicly left because of it. I've
thought of (publicly) unsubscribing because of it too. Then again,
I think the project still has a future and I might even be of some
help improving the environment now and then.


> I think we just need a few people to lead everyone into development
> than have everyone telling everyone else how bad their idea is. I'm
> guilty of it too, but I don't have much time for anything. I have a
> lot of other things to worry about in my life. Y is on the back burner
> for now...

Well, there's a lot of people interested even if many of them have to
put it on the backburner for this or that reason. That doesn't mean we
shouldn't have some courtesy for each others ideas. Discussion is what
the list is for, but that does demand explanation of why you think ideas
are very or maybe not so very brilliant.

I want an environment for brainstorming and discussion, and I want an
environment to try out the ideas. The first one requires some courtesy,
and it means you'll have to back up your points with proof or at least
argument. The second requires we agree on a build environment that is
simple, works for many and doesn't require daily updates of all the
build tools that are so cool to have but don't actually contribute much
in terms of time saved, stability, and portability.

Anyway, I'll step down from my soapbox now. I've said most of the above
before and I'll put in as much effort as I can spare to help get there,
but with just me on the soapbox it won't happen.


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