Re: New home for GPE?

Hello all,

First of all we should be careful we don't move into some awful rethoric and
flaming and take a sensible and adult approach to this.

> > As for the "move", it looks more like a (hostile) takeover. I don't
> > buy the "run by the community". I haven't found an "Impressum" on
> > linuxtogo.org, but according to the whois DB it's run by 
> > kernel concepts GbR, more specifically by you.
> 
> I am absolutely willing to explain this fact.
> The reason for this is that someone has to pay for the server, right?
> This does not fall of the stars or trees.
> We tried hard to find sponsors for it but noone stepped forward without
> seeing something. So we had to do it on our own. The best way, and most
> cost effective, was to rent the server through our company. This does
> not mean in any way that we own it, control it or whatever - please read
> the explanation on LTG for that matter.

I guess this sufficiently describes the reasons why kernelconcepts registred
for the server and my guess is that somebody else steps up for the hosting
kernelconcepts would not mind handing it over.
 
> The formal imprint is still missing, yes. The reason for that is/was
> that I am not sure what to write there. The platform and site is not, as
> mentioned before, solely run by us. So we have to find a shared
> liability model. But I think we will be forced to write a limited
> imprint... but that is not for reasons that I would like.

Well it would maybe be useful to list the reasons why moving to linuxtogo is a
good/bad idea and what are the advantages/disadvantages to staying on handhelds.

My view is:

Linuxtogo:

* more freedom to do what we want to do service-wise. (wiki, svn, ...)
* removing the one point of contact bottleneck for all admin related stuff.
(despite all George's efforts and willingness to work on this, it sometimes is
limiting)
* a chance to nicely re-organize all content, source, streamline the tools and
develop a new working model to support GPE better in
Familiar/Angström/OE/Fedora/Debian/Gentoo/whatever
* more responsive versioning system (as handhelds cvs sometimes suffered of
extreme slowness)

handhelds:

* known location
* no moving work (however reorganisation is still necessary)
* known working methods (however they should be revised slightly)
* lost of historic information

moving risks/disadvantages:

* risk of splitting resources and people (no advantage of moving is worth this)
* handhelds is a known location, it might take a while before people know that
there has been a move
* possible loss of project history.

To be honest I must say I am in favour of a move, so I might be slightly
biased. Please take that into account.

> > As I'm moderately sure you'll do the "move" regardless of what I say,
> > I'm going to stop wasting my time arguing against it now, but I do
> > ask you to leave the applications I wrote (gpe-screenshot, gpe-life,
> > gpe-mileage) where they are.

Rene as you are the author of them I guess nobody will mind having you
deciding on what happens with them. I would however encourage you to move them
along with the main GPE tree if the move happens. 

Furthermore IMHO it seems we should dicuss this a bit more before actually
doing it. If we really want to go through with this we should make sure we can
compromise with people who don't really like the moving idea. Splitting
resources (which we can already ill-afford) is not an option for me. So I also
support the suggestion of contacting a few more people and waiting a bit more
before doing the move. Which also gives us the added bonus of being able to
move everything in a planned and effective way (in case we still do it). 


Regards,

Philippe

PS: is the mention of GPE on linuxtogo under hosted projects not a bit pre-mature?
 
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