Re: Junk mail

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Michael Rozdoba schreef:
> Koen Kooi wrote:
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>> Victor Moran schreef:
>>> How many people have to agree to make the list subscription-only
>>> before it gets changed?
>> The list-admin and core-developers I guess.
> 
> After all, it would be silly to do what the list readers want, wouldn't it?

I've seen enough reports of users that needed some time to gather enough courage to post
to a mailinglist to know that the "OMG, spam bad, subscriber-only good LOL"-crowd is a
vocal minority.
That being said, I should state the following:

* spam is bad and spammers should burn in hell
* spam should be filtered in every part of the mail-chain (including at the user end)
* complaining about spam on an *e-mail* list is more annoying as spam itself.

The bulk of the users aren't subscribed to the distro mailinglists (are *you* subscribed
to your desktop distro's ml?), and aren't what you'd call 'FOSS veterans', so making
mailinglists subscriber-only will mean you're cutting yourself off from the largest part
of the userbase.
If you are annoyed by the 'large'[1] amount of spam on this list you should

a) get a better spam filter

or

b) unsubscribe

but either way: stop posting useless and annoying "OMG, SPAM!!!!1!!!111!!!" type of
messages. We all know spam exists and we all want it to go away, but you all have posted
more "OMG, SPAM!!!!1!!!111!!!" mails the past few hours than this list got actual spam
mails in a week.

Congratulations, you just made the 'ham' more annoying as the 'spam'.

Also note that making the list subscriber only puts a lot of churn on the already
overworked OZ developers, so you should really ask yourselves "If I want this list to be
subscriber-only, do I want to invest the time to dig through the held-for-moderation mails
daily?"[4]. Based on my experience[2] the 'complainers' are generally not 'doers', so
you'd have to have contributed in the past (patches, bug reports, reviews, usefull
respones to mail, etc) before passing my internal ignore filter. I'm not saying you
shouldn't complain (you should, but in a constructive way), but I'm saying that you should
thing thrice before *demanding* stuff.

Koen[3]

[1] I get more spam mails *per hour* than this list gets *per week*, but my ISPs
mailfilter + thunderbirds spam subsystem give me only ~3 false negatives per week.
[2] I've been release-manager for various 'embedded' distros for some years now
[3] No, I'm not an OZ developer right now
[4] Out of experience: it is annoying and tedious work virtually no-one want to do (hail
mickeyl for doing that for the lists i'm subscribed to).

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