Re: opie trademark

On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:41, Erik Hovland wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 04:01:03AM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
> > On Thursday 31 May 2007 02:40, Benjamin Long wrote:
> > > This infighting and bickering is pointless.
> > > Right now, the Opie project seems just about dead. If it's not dead
> > > already this disunity with surely kill it.
> > > If something can be done to revive the project by bringing it up to
> > > date, hence not letting all the development time that went into Opie go
> > > to waste, I say it's worth it.
> >
> > Updating Opie to use Qtopia core 4 would take about 10,000 man hours. I
> > personally saw the process that Troltlech took to do it. It was not
> > pretty. You basically have to rewrite everything, including starting the
> > designer .ui files sfrom scratch.
> >
> > The Opie developers decided this was futile and pointless, and why not
> > use the code that Trolltech generates for the next Opie. That saves opie
> > developers from a fairly futile and frustrating effort.
>
> Sure, this makes technical sense. It does not mean that you have the
> permission of the Opie community that you can re-use the name. And if
> you are starting from scratch that you even should re-use the name. It
> just plain isn't your name. I don't say it is mine. But I don't see you
> owning it.

1. I asked Opie devs
2. the person that started the project and whom most likely actually owns the 
name "opie" doesn't care.
3. I could have started it at handhelds.org - thus moving the current head to 
another tree, and commiting the new code.
4. I asked for access to a new project at handhelds.org and never got an 
answer, thus obliterating the current opie tree through cvs was the only 
option to me, which for obvious reasons, I did not want to do.
5. I could have started it at sf.net. I didnt. I choose linuxtogo because it 
was new, young, and the admins were open and responsive to requests and 
needs.


>
> > > As for why this work wasn't done on the hh.org
> > > servers, I have no idea, and I really don't care.
> >
> > Many reasons. For one, that my email to admins of handhelds.org
> > requesting to start a new cvs tree went unanswered. For another, over the
> > years, it has been a PINA to get new developers setup for write access to
> > the cvs, and often taking weeks to do so and depended on the grace of
> > handhelds.org admins being available and responsive.
>
> I can appreciated this issue. The problem is not that you choose to have
> your new project hosted elsewhere. The problem is that you want to
> re-use names w/out the permission of the community. 

G.F is not the community! At least I asked permission and consulted the opie 
developers/community before I took action, which is more than I can say about 
GF and handhelds.org. No one really spoke up then, why do it after the fact?
*cough*


> I don't pretend 
> to speak for that community. I do speak for myself and do consider
> myself a part of that community. And I say your use of the name is
> confusing. Your choice of project hosting sites is a concern since it is
> well known that the relationship between people at that site and people
> at handhelds.org are having public problems.


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