Re: Re: Datebk6 and NEED ON THE iPHONE!
Matt Agajanian <[email protected]>
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Hi there. Klaus brings up a good point. Although I maintain that DateBk6 is the better product, just how equivalent is the Apple App Store's Pocket Informant to DateBk6? Secondly, as I still want to use PalmDesktop as my datebook (don't get me started but, I do not feel that GoogleCalendar is reliable, safe and private), can Pocket Informant for iPhone interact with PalmDesktop? Matt =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-=- On 23/08/2010, at 9:55 AM, Marcia Clever wrote: > Klaus, > > I looked at Pocket Informant. Liked what I saw BUT unlike Palm/ > DateBk they do not give the user an option to choose 20 min > scheduling increments. I even emailed the developer to be sure. I > am a physician and schedule every 20 min appts. Anyone know > differently for PI? Until that feature is available, PI is a no go > for me. > > Marcia > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 1:54, "Klaus P. Fechner" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Larry, I really appreciate your insightful comments and helpful >> advice in this group. However, I think you need to update your >> list of arguments why CESD will not want or be able to write a >> version of Pimlical for the iPhone. >> >> On 10:29 -0400 18.8.10, Larry Finch wrote: >>> >> >> ... >> >>> Hi, Marcia; >>> >>> I'm not Pimlico Software, I'm just a member of the group (and a >>> volunteer moderator). >>> >>> But I do know why Pimlico will not create an iphone version. First, >>> Apple does not allow apps to access the iPhone calendar. >> >> Not true as of iOS 4.x AFAIK. The next version of Pocket Informant >> will use the built-in calendar database, so their current work- >> around using their own database and syncing via Google calendar >> will no longer be necessary. >> >>> So the only >>> way to do it would be to maintain an entirely separate calendar. >>> Next, >>> Apple does not allow apps to use the built-in alarm manager. So >>> there >>> would be no way to implement alarms, except through Notifications, >>> which would mean that Pimlico would have to create a web service and >>> track everyone's alarms to send notifications to the phone when an >>> alarm was due. Which raises your privacy issue. >> >> Not true. The current version of Pocket Informant creates local >> alarms. >> >>> The calendar would have to sync to SOMETHING. There is no record >>> level >>> sync mechanism in the iPhone or iTunes, only replacing a file on the >>> phone, so the only practical sync mechanism would be a cloud-based >>> calendar such as Google Calendar or a similar alternate. It can't >>> sync >>> with iCal or Outlook because of the lack of record level syncing. >> >> Irrelevant. See the item above. >> >>> Then there's the question of programming language. DateBk6 is >>> written >>> in C to the Palm API (Application Programming Interface). The iPhone >>> does not support the Palm API, so it would be a complete rewrite. >>> Pimlical is written in Java, which IS portable, to just about >>> everything in the world - EXCEPT the iPhone. Apple will not allow >>> apps >>> written in Java on the iPhone. >> >> That is correct, and is the only reason that I currently see why >> your main contention remains accurate - no Pimlical for the iPhone. >> >>> And finally, Apple does not approve apps that duplicate built-in >>> functionality. But they don't decide if your app violates this rule >>> until you submit it. So Pimlico could spend 6 months developing >>> Pimlical or DateBk6 for the iPhone, only to be told that Apple has >>> rejected it. That's something like a $50,000 gamble. >> >> Well, Pocket Informant for the iPhone has been out since 18 Mar >> 2009 according to Appshopper.com. I have been using it since >> January 2010. And it very well duplicates lots of the functions >> built into the iPhone by Apple, and bests lots of its >> functionality. So you are clearly wrong with this argument. I know >> that Apple has stated something similar in the past, but they >> haven't been rigid about it. For example, there are lots of web >> browsers for the iPhone with different features than Safari. >> >>> To see the extent of the problem, there are NO calendar apps >>> available >>> for the iPhone that are significantly better than the built-in >>> calendar with the possible exception of Pocket Informant, and it >>> syncs >>> only with Google Calendar. With 225,000 apps and no good calendars, >>> there's a message there. >> >> No good calendars? Let me make my position clear: I loved DateBk >> for the Palm, and used it from versions 3.x through the last 6.x >> on my obsolete Treo 680. I will be the first one to say that it >> was the most remarkable piece of software ever written for a >> mobile device, and probably the best calendar software ever. When >> I switched to the iPhone I felt terribly limited by its calendar >> app and the poor implementation of Todos. >> >> When I found Pocket Informant (version 1.2 at the time) I felt >> that it would have the potential to grow and be an adequate >> replacement. I told one of the developers at Macworld '10 that >> their goal should be to aim for the overall functionality of >> DateBk. I have asked for features to be added. I have voted for >> features in their support forum. And I have not been disappointed. >> They are now at version 1.52, and are putting the final touches on >> the version that will use the internal iOS calendar database. They >> also have a respectable implementation on the iPad. >> >> Except for the two-column display of events in different time >> zones, it now has all the features that I had been using in >> DateBk. So much for the "no good calendar". >> >> I realize that I sound like a marketing person for WebIS, but I am >> only a satisfied customer of their software. Mostly for nostalgic >> reasons I like to stay informed about DateBk and Pimlical, and >> have been following the groups. But I am getting tired of reading >> incorrect and/or dated explanations for why there won't be >> Pimlical on the iPhone. >> >> The *only* reason at this time is that CESD decided to use Java as >> his exclusive development platform (which is probably a good >> choice given his one man operation, that I BTW truly admire!). >> Apple's position that they want control over the development tools >> for their mobile platform plays into that scenario, but others >> such as WebIS have been able to produce similar products for >> multiple platforms (in their case PI is available for Blackberry >> and Win Mobile, and under development for Android. ) Again, not to >> tout WebIS, but to make the case that supporting different >> platforms including iOS can be done, provided the developer is >> motivated to do it. >> >> Bottom line: >> >> Larry is correct, there won't be a Pimlical for iPhone/iOS. >> >> Larry is mostly wrong and unnecessarily argumentative about why >> this is so. CESD would have to port Pimlical to Objective-C, which >> he is extremely unlikely to do. End of story. >> >> Cheers, >> -- >> Klaus P. Fechner, Los Altos, CA, USA >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > USEFUL LINKS AND WEBPAGES FOR PIMLICODATEBK > ------------------------------------------- > Post a message: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: pimlicodatebk-unsubscribe-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org > Previous messages (view/search): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > pimlicodatebk/messages > Pimlico: http://www.PimlicoSoftware.com > > For information about Pimlical, the desktop calendar: http:// > www.pimlicosoftware.com/pimlicalpreview.htm > To discuss Pimlical, please join the Pimlical group: > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pimlical > > DateBk4 FAQ: http://www.PimlicoSoftware.com/datebk4faq.htm > DateBk5 FAQ: http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/datebk5faq.htm > DateBk Cookbook: http://how.to/datebk-cookbook > DateBk Wiki: http://oldgods.net/cgi-bin/datebk_wiki > > Neither Pimlico, the developer, nor the list owner is responsible > for content.Yahoo! 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