Re: Treo 680 and the 5-way

> Hello, Chris Antos.
> > Huh? Why do you say it "broke"? 
> Because it's not behaving as expected.
> > What you describe is how it has always worked. 
> Then it's always been broken and I just noticed.

Fair enough.  However, saying "it broke" implies that you were using it successfully on another device, but on the new device it stopped working, which is inaccurate and confuses simpleminded people like myself.


> My normal view, and I suspect most people's normal view, because it
> allows me to see the most icons at once (130), is in the "full page"
> view. There is no way to select anything other than the top row
> without using a stylus. This is broken behavior.

If you read the directions, it states that pressing the Select button on the five way navigation pad selects an icon.  And then using the direction pad moves the selection.  You said "there is no way", which is simply false -- so I assume that what you meant is you find it awkward to press Select (the official name for the center button of the direction pads) and then move the direction pad.

Suppose that I removed the need to first press Select to select an icon:  if instead moving the direction pad automatically selected an icon, then people would give the opposite complaint that there is "no way" (meaning they find it awkward) to scroll the list.  So while that would solve your specific complaint, it would generate a new and similarly awkward problem, so it doesn't seem like much of a solution at all.

If you see some solution to this inherent problem, perhaps you could share it?


> There is no way to select the "new" or "close" buttons at the bottom of
> the screen without using the stylus. (Yes, I know Menu \ File has New
> and Close, but I'm talking about the buttons right there in the primary
> UI.) This is broken behavior.

You know what?  I agree.  You know what else?  Palm and the other handheld companies totally botched up how the direction pads work across the various devices.  You have no idea how badly they botched it all up.  I'm not going to spend tons of time making significant changes to the navigation capabilities when (1) it would make the navigation pad work very differently on some devices thus complicating the documentation and also making the application behave inconsistently, (2) it would actually make it much HARDER for users to scroll the view or select icons and the only benefit it would provide would be the ability to press New and Close without using a stylus, but as soon as you press the New button you need to pull out the stylus anyway.  And no...I am not going to even attempt to make the icon editor screen usable without a stylus.

The bottom line is that Icon Manager is not intended to be usable without using the stylus, and I even contend that the application works quite reasonably.  I won't be offended if that makes you remove it from your device.

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