Re: Retro tech

"Teresa Wells [email protected] [peditors]" <[email protected]> Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:27:25 -0700
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We talked about the TrgPro, 3com Palm, palm vx. If you have any of the Tung=
sten sliders, I would be interested in that. I like Clies. I am not that fa=
miliar with the newer models, but would be interested in what you are tryin=
g to get rid of. Accessories would be good too. I'm curious about whether t=
he GPS units still work.=20

I'm not interested in selling anything. I've been buying devices on my own =
to write about and use. There may not be a lot of demand for this info but =
I think it's useful to take a look back.=20

I'd be happy to cover any postage costs. My address is 1900 NW 94th st, Van=
couver WA. 98665.=20

Thanks again for the offer.=20

=E2=80=9CThrow out the radio and take the fiddle down from the wall.=E2=80=
=9D
=E2=80=94 Andrew Nelson Lytle, Tennessee, 1930

> On Sep 26, 2018, at 11:22 AM, dmccunney [email protected] [pedito=
rs] <[email protected]> wrote:
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> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM Teresa Wells [email protected]
> [peditors] <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > So far, I've bought the Life Drive, Clie NR70 and NX70, a Zire72, a sec=
ond Zire71 and a M130. I'm considering a Handspring and a Palm V. I'm tryin=
g to pick devices that were popular or different. And I can use the excuse =
of writing about it to justify it. When you read the old reviews, they comp=
are it to the new devices at that time. I try to write about useful feature=
s and possible uses today. I'll have to write about syncing to modern compu=
ters too, which has been interesting. I ran into the 64 bit driver issue wi=
th Windows 7 and I still don't see things show up up that Palm desktop. But=
 everything syncs with my G4 iBooks!
>=20
> I got Palm Desktop to install on Win7, and found the 64bit driver It
> worked well enough. The current desktop is a 64bit Win10 Pro machine
> but I haven't tried to get it running. I seldom needed to actually
> sync even back when I was still using a PDA regularly. Most of what
> I wanted to get on the PDA were files I dropped directly onto the
> external card, putting the card into an adapter and plugging it into a
> USB slot on the desktop.
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> My first device was a Handspring Visor Deluxe, and I later had a
> couple of Visor Pros. The one after that was a Tungsten E because I
> needed color, and the Zodiacs were to get a 320x480 screen.
>=20
> > I was able to get the Life Drive online and the browser isn't bad. But =
you wind up comparing it to modern devices. It all may be a pointless exper=
ience but I am enjoying it. It reminds me about the things I originally lik=
ed about Palms in the first place.
>=20
> One addon to the TX was the Netfront browser. That had been bundled
> on Clies, and someone had ripped it from a Clie, removed the device
> check so it could be installed on something else , and made it
> available for the TX. It was the best thing available for Palm OS at
> the time. (By current standards, that's not saying much.) Netfront
> was an Access product, and they still supply is for other embedded
> devices. https://www.access-company.com/en/products/browser/
> ______
> Dennis
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> > On Sep 25, 2018, at 7:14 PM, dmccunney [email protected] [pedit=
ors] <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Teresa Wells [email protected]
> > [peditors] <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I find some of these devices interesting. And I also thinking that sy=
ncing with Outlook has been the death of more than one company :)
> >
> > I found it quirky but useful. I used Outlook at home as well as at
> > the office, for compatibility, and because I needed better mail
> > handling capabilities than things like Outlook Express offered. (I
> > got, and still get, a lot of email, and needed filtering more
> > sophistacted than IF <condition> DO <action> to properly classify it.)
> > Outlook at the office was used for the shared calendar as well as
> > email, and we lived in it at employers.
> >
> > I made it a reflex to add anyone I was likely to communicate with
> > *again* to my Outlook Contacts folder, and that got hot-synced to teh
> > PDA as the basis for the Address Book. I hot-synced in both
> > locations, so any entry added in one place got added to teh other next
> > hot-sync, and I had redundancy because my contacts list resided in
> > three different locations.
> >
> > > I don't trust this Life Drive at all. First one I bought never got pa=
st the boot screen. I replaced the battery, put in a formatted CF card but =
nothing worked. Got a second one on Ebay. The guy bricked it trying to do a=
 hard reset and canceled the sale. The one I bought after that does work so=
 I can see what it would have been. It was designed to be for business cust=
omers. I see it as a great multimedia machine, with lots of room for books =
and music. Too bad the hardware sucked.
> >
> > The Life Drive was an interesting idea. I knew a couple of folks back
> > in the day who replaced the hard drive with a CF card and were
> > delighted with the increased performance and reliability. (Things
> > with moving parts break, so replacing a spinning platter drive wish a
> > flash memory based card was a win.)
> >
> > > I've been buying interesting devices on Ebay and have had pretty good=
 luck with the untested ones. I see a difference in how I deal with the Pal=
m.. I look something up and I'm done. There's no reason to do anything else=
.. If I were on my iPhone, I'd probably check my mail or look up something. =
I'm enjoying spending less time on the Net.
> >
> > <grin> One of my involvements is eBooks, and I know folks who
> > deliberately bought dedicated eBook readers precisely to remove the
> > temptation of doing other things while they were reading.
> >
> > That wouldn't work for me - the dedicated devices were eInk with
> > monochrome screens, and too much of what I do requires color. My
> > default eBook viewer device is a 7" Android tablet, with a library on
> > a microSD card.
> >
> > But I began reading eBooks on Palm devices, using the open source
> > Plucker app that could convert HTML pages to a form viewable on the
> > PDA. The initial use was converting documentation I used as a
> > sysadmin to a form I could carry around in my pocket, and a lot of
> > stuff from Project Gutenberg and elsewhere joined it. I also
> > collected an assortment of stuff in Mobipoket format I could read
> > using Mobi's Palm viewer app. (Palm was the first platform Mobipocket
> > targeted when they began as an early eBook publisher. Amazon bought
> > them years back and used the Mobi format for their Kindle offerings)
> >
> > What other sorts of things have you bought on eBay?
> >
> > > (And I probably should have written my post under teri.pittman@gmail.=
com. I still haven't gotten around to officially changing my name yet.)
> >
> > So noted, but we got it.
> > ______
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >=20
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> --=20
> ______
> Dennis
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519
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We talked about the TrgPro, 3com Palm, palm vx. If you have any of the Tung=
sten sliders, I would be interested in that. I like Clies. I am not that fa=
miliar with the newer models, but would be interested in what you are tryin=
g to get rid of. Accessories would be good too. I'm curious about whether t=
he GPS units still work.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I'm not interested in sel=
ling anything. I've been buying devices on my own to write about and use. T=
here may not be a lot of demand for this info but I think it's useful to ta=
ke a look back.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I'd be happy to cover any po=
stage costs. My address is 1900 NW 94th st, Vancouver WA. 98665.&nbsp;</div=
><div><br></div><div>Thanks again for the offer.&nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"Ap=
pleMailSignature"><div>=E2=80=9CThrow out the radio and take the fiddle dow=
n from the wall.=E2=80=9D</div>
	<div>=E2=80=94 Andrew Nelson Lytle, Tennessee, 1930</div></div><div><br>On=
 Sep 26, 2018, at 11:22 AM, dmccunney <a href=3D"mailto:dennis.mccunney@gma=
il.com">[email protected]</a> [peditors] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pedi=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div>=
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      <p>On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM Teresa Wells <a href=3D"mailto:tw=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>
[peditors] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">peditors@yahoogr=
oups.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So far, I've bought the Life Drive, Clie NR70 and NX70, a Zire72, a se=
cond Zire71 and a M130. I'm considering a Handspring and a Palm V. I'm tryi=
ng to pick devices that were popular or different. And I can use the excuse=
 of writing about it to justify it. When you read the old reviews, they com=
pare it to the new devices at that time. I try to write about useful featur=
es and possible uses today. I'll have to write about syncing to modern comp=
uters too, which has been interesting. I ran into the 64 bit driver issue w=
ith Windows 7 and I still don't see things show up up that Palm desktop. Bu=
t everything syncs with my G4 iBooks!<br>
<br>
I got Palm Desktop to install on Win7, and found the 64bit driver  It<br>
worked well enough.  The current desktop is a 64bit Win10 Pro machine<br>
but I haven't tried to get it running.  I seldom needed to actually<br>
sync  even back when I was still using a PDA regularly.  Most of what<br>
I wanted to get on the PDA were files I dropped directly onto the<br>
external card, putting the card into an adapter and plugging it into a<br>
USB slot on the desktop.<br>
<br>
My first device was a Handspring Visor Deluxe, and I later had a<br>
couple of Visor Pros.  The one after that was a Tungsten E because I<br>
needed color, and the Zodiacs were to get a 320x480 screen.<br>
<br>
&gt; I was able to get the Life Drive online and the browser isn't bad. But=
 you wind up comparing it to modern devices. It all may be a pointless expe=
rience but I am enjoying it. It reminds me about the things I originally li=
ked about Palms in the first place.<br>
<br>
One addon to the TX was the Netfront browser.  That had been bundled<br>
on Clies, and someone had ripped it from a Clie, removed the device<br>
check so it could be installed  on something else , and made it<br>
available for the TX.  It was the best thing available for Palm OS at<br>
the time.  (By current standards, that's not saying much.) Netfront<br>
was an Access product, and they still supply is for other embedded<br>
devices. <a href=3D"https://www.access-company.com/en/products/browser/">ht=
tps://www.access-company.com/en/products/browser/</a><br>
______<br>
Dennis<br>
<br>
&gt; On Sep 25, 2018, at 7:14 PM, dmccunney <a href=3D"mailto:dennis.mccunn=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [peditors] &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Teresa Wells <a href=3D"mailto:twells=
@notsothoreau.com">[email protected]</a><br>
&gt; [peditors] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">peditors@ya=
hoogroups.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I find some of these devices interesting. And I also thinking tha=
t syncing with Outlook has been the death of more than one company :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I found it quirky but useful. I used Outlook at home as well as at<br>
&gt; the office, for compatibility, and because I needed better mail<br>
&gt; handling capabilities than things like Outlook Express offered. (I<br>
&gt; got, and still get, a lot of email, and needed filtering more<br>
&gt; sophistacted than IF &lt;condition&gt; DO &lt;action&gt; to properly c=
lassify it.)<br>
&gt; Outlook at the office was used for the shared calendar as well as<br>
&gt; email, and we lived in it at employers.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I made it a reflex to add anyone I was likely to communicate with<br>
&gt; *again* to my Outlook Contacts folder, and that got hot-synced to teh<=
br>
&gt; PDA as the basis for the Address Book. I hot-synced in both<br>
&gt; locations, so any entry added in one place got added to teh other next=
<br>
&gt; hot-sync, and I had redundancy because my contacts list resided in<br>
&gt; three different locations.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I don't trust this Life Drive at all. First one I bought never go=
t past the boot screen. I replaced the battery, put in a formatted CF card =
but nothing worked. Got a second one on Ebay. The guy bricked it trying to =
do a hard reset and canceled the sale. The one I bought after that does wor=
k so I can see what it would have been. It was designed to be for business =
customers. I see it as a great multimedia machine, with lots of room for bo=
oks and music. Too bad the hardware sucked.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The Life Drive was an interesting idea. I knew a couple of folks back<=
br>
&gt; in the day who replaced the hard drive with a CF card and were<br>
&gt; delighted with the increased performance and reliability. (Things<br>
&gt; with moving parts break, so replacing a spinning platter drive wish a<=
br>
&gt; flash memory based card was a win.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I've been buying interesting devices on Ebay and have had pretty =
good luck with the untested ones. I see a difference in how I deal with the=
 Palm.. I look something up and I'm done. There's no reason to do anything =
else. If I were on my iPhone, I'd probably check my mail or look up somethi=
ng. I'm enjoying spending less time on the Net.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &lt;grin&gt; One of my involvements is eBooks, and I know folks who<br=
>
&gt; deliberately bought dedicated eBook readers precisely to remove the<br=
>
&gt; temptation of doing other things while they were reading.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; That wouldn't work for me - the dedicated devices were eInk with<br>
&gt; monochrome screens, and too much of what I do requires color. My<br>
&gt; default eBook viewer device is a 7" Android tablet, with a library on<=
br>
&gt; a microSD card.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; But I began reading eBooks on Palm devices, using the open source<br>
&gt; Plucker app that could convert HTML pages to a form viewable on the<br=
>
&gt; PDA. The initial use was converting documentation I used as a<br>
&gt; sysadmin to a form I could carry around in my pocket, and a lot of<br>
&gt; stuff from Project Gutenberg and elsewhere joined it. I also<br>
&gt; collected an assortment of stuff in Mobipoket format I could read<br>
&gt; using Mobi's Palm viewer app. (Palm was the first platform Mobipocket<=
br>
&gt; targeted when they began as an early eBook publisher. Amazon bought<br=
>
&gt; them years back and used the Mobi format for their Kindle offerings)<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; What other sorts of things have you bought on eBay?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; (And I probably should have written my post under <a href=3D"mail=
to:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>. I still haven't gott=
en around to officially changing my name yet.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So noted, but we got it.<br>
&gt; ______<br>
&gt; Dennis<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
-- <br>
______<br>
Dennis<br>
<a href=3D"https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519">https://plus.=
google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519</a><br>
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