Re: Re: Anyone still here?
"skeezix [email protected] [SHADOW-DISCUSS]" <[email protected]> Sun, 4 Sep 2016 20:13:40 -0400 (EDT)
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--OxJUHTeTfVbHMsrDoyo3KD0qdTwlzDVNAosQHVs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 4 Sep 2016, [email protected] [SHADOW-DISCUSS] wrote: # Pretty much what shovavnik said. Nothing approaches Shadowplan, of happy memory. However, the whole ecology of software has changed now. Not sure if Jeff # could make it worthwhile these day. Here be dragons. The app model is brutal at _best_ .. when people ask me, I tell them to make purpose built, get it out the door and see if it has legs; don't spend heaby time up front, jus make it pretty and make it ship. Its sad, but thats nowadays... back in the day, we wanted desktop level power in our hands, and we spend our sweet time trying. Its just not viable now. When I started, PalmGear etc woudl nab 15% of the sale for themselves; when they started jacking it up (eventually 65% IIRC?) it was making us all crazy. When I was selling through Sprint (the telephone company), they'd eat up I think 85% or so, but I hoped for volume to make up for that.. So Apple eating up 30% seems pretty solid. Course, its 30% of $0 for 99% of the players ;) Its a rigged game .. once you're at the top, the system is designed to keep you at the top; its extremely hostile to new players .. they just don't want new players, as there is already enough of them. They'd rather have a solid set of good apps, and keep them there, so joe user is happy, and joe dev is happy. A few disruptive crazy apps break big, but generally its an all-lose situation for developers (and hence my advice .. make your strike, quickly.. don't invest much, just try to see if your app has legs; if it surprises you and does, then you go in deep, but you need to find out first. Unless it has a captive audience of course..) jeff -- If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war. --OxJUHTeTfVbHMsrDoyo3KD0qdTwlzDVNAosQHVs Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #fff;"> <span style="display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text" > <p>On Sun, 4 Sep 2016, [email protected] [SHADOW-DISCUSS] wrote:<br> <br> # Pretty much what shovavnik said. Nothing approaches Shadowplan, of happy memory. However, the whole ecology of software has changed now. Not sure if Jeff<br> # could make it worthwhile these day.<br> <br> Here be dragons. The app model is brutal at _best_ .. when people <br> ask me, I tell them to make purpose built, get it out the door and see if <br> it has legs; don't spend heaby time up front, jus make it pretty and make <br> it ship. Its sad, but thats nowadays... back in the day, we wanted desktop <br> level power in our hands, and we spend our sweet time trying. Its just not <br> viable now.<br> <br> When I started, PalmGear etc woudl nab 15% of the sale for <br> themselves; when they started jacking it up (eventually 65% IIRC?) it was <br> making us all crazy. When I was selling through Sprint (the telephone <br> company), they'd eat up I think 85% or so, but I hoped for volume to make <br> up for that..<br> <br> So Apple eating up 30% seems pretty solid. <br> <br> Course, its 30% of $0 for 99% of the players ;)<br> <br> Its a rigged game .. once you're at the top, the system is <br> designed to keep you at the top; its extremely hostile to new players .. <br> they just don't want new players, as there is already enough of them. <br> They'd rather have a solid set of good apps, and keep them there, so joe <br> user is happy, and joe dev is happy. A few disruptive crazy apps break <br> big, but generally its an all-lose situation for developers (and hence my <br> advice .. make your strike, quickly.. don't invest much, just try to see <br> if your app has legs; if it surprises you and does, then you go in deep, <br> but you need to find out first. Unless it has a captive audience of <br> course..)<br> <br> jeff<br> <br> --<br> If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.<br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style="color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> <div style="clear:both"> </div> <div id="fromDMARC" style="margin-top: 10px;"> <hr style="height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3E3;"> Posted by: skeezix <[email protected]> <hr style="height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3E3;"> </div> <div style="clear:both"> </div> <table cellspacing=4px style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; color: #2D50FD;"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; font-weight: bold; padding: 7px 5px 5px;" > <a style="text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD" href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SHADOW-DISCUSS/conversations/messages/25387;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcXZjMGV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI1Mzg3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTQ3MzAzNDQxNw--?act=reply&messageNum=25387">Reply via web post</a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5px 5px;" > <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5BSHADOW-DISCUSS%5D%20Re%3A%20Anyone%20still%20here%3F" style="text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD;"> Reply to sender </a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5px 5px;"> <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5BSHADOW-DISCUSS%5D%20Re%3A%20Anyone%20still%20here%3F" style="text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD"> Reply to group </a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5px 5px;" > <a href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SHADOW-DISCUSS/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMGNlZWIzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ3MzAzNDQxNw--" style="text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD">Start a New Topic</a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5px 5px;color: #2D50FD;" > <a href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SHADOW-DISCUSS/conversations/topics/25373;_ylc=X3oDMTM2MWE4ZnNmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI1Mzg3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ3MzAzNDQxNwR0cGNJZAMyNTM3Mw--" style="text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD;">Messages in this topic</a> (15) </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div id="megaphoneModule"> <hr style="height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3E3;"> <div> <div class="stream" style="margin-bottom:10px;"> <div style="background-color:white;"> <div class="sn-img" style="display:inline;"><img name="tn_file" style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;margin-top:5px;" src="https://s.yimg.com/ru/static/images/yg/img/megaphone/1464031581_phpFA8bON" height="82" width="82"></div> <div class="mod-txt" style="display:inline-block;"> <a rel="nofollow" name="sub_url" target="_blank" href="https://yho.com/1wwmgg" style="color:#0000FF;display:block;margin-left:5px;text-decoration:none;"><span style="font-size:15px;">Have you tried the highest rated email app?</span></a> <div style="max-width:530px;padding:2px 5px;">With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. 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