Re: Anyone still here?
"skeezix [email protected] [SHADOW-DISCUSS]" <[email protected]> Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:32:45 -0400 (EDT)
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--EuoTWPTQAEwWBqaSsTo2GghSUbwXgR0tLnLqCpG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 5 Sep 2016, 'Daniel Venditelli, jr.' [email protected] [SHADOW-= DISCUSS] wrote: # none quite fit. I've since moved on to Asana and Workflowy. The first for= task and project management, the second for writing/logging.=C2=A0 # Both have their strengths and weaknesses but the primary thing I look for= now is a web based application with a strong iOS client. I just don't want= to # have a single device or platform shift cause me to have to start over aga= in. So far the feature needs seem to be relatively simple (and a few=20 of the mentioned apps have developers on this list, so maybe they'll see=20 ;) .. the basic list view, with some nice-to-have easy to hit buttons for=20 dating, and a meta-data notes add-on. The development requirements so far are reasonable but a lot of=20 work .. ie: obviously iOS+Android woudl be desired (though just one ould=20 be doable), and the above request for a web app .. Development these days for mobile apps tends to go either .. - full native (commited to one device family) - pseudo-native (like Xamarin, writing C# that targets both iOS=20 and Android) - another step removed .. PhoneGap etc, where you essentialyl=20 write a web app in javascript, and use tools to make it feel reasonable=20 native on a given device; but its either cross-compiled to target device=20 from javacript, or is just a JS interpreer using the native devices=20 browser engine - hybrid - put a lot of the code on the web, with native client=20 of some sort; the degree of how much work the client is doing vs the=20 website is another continuum. But think Facebook or the like .. a website,= =20 that has all its real work in a web-available API, and a client that just=20 calls that API; so it feels native in the client, but 3/4 of the work is=20 actually out in th cloud. --> this brings up questions about security, availability when=20 off-line, etc etc ..=20 ... so the question of .. if such an app needs a web presence=20 'period', then it entirely changes how you do development (and of course=20 requires a significant additional deveoper timesink, since you're now=20 supporting 1 or more mobile apps, plus the web app which is essentially=20 significantly different and also includes server hosting needs.) But if you at least start out with the mindset of 'someday' going=20 to a web app, you at least slow yourself a little to start but at the risk= =20 of having a major easier port to web down the road. I'm not sure how native a PHoneGap type app feals, will have to=20 look around. (Gaming is a different style entirely, since it is assmed games=20 can use totally goofy UIs that don't feel native, and everyone is cool=20 with that; so in a way its much easier to write a cross platform game than= =20 a productivity app, since a productivity app must feel native, and blend=20 nicely with the environment (ie: to keep the user productive :) jeff -- If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --EuoTWPTQAEwWBqaSsTo2GghSUbwXgR0tLnLqCpG Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> =20 <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p>On Mon, 5 Sep 2016, 'Daniel Venditelli, jr.' dvenditelli@g= mail.com [SHADOW-DISCUSS] wrote:<br> <br> # none quite fit. I've since moved on to Asana and Workflowy. The first= for task and project management, the second for writing/logging.=C2=A0<br> # Both have their strengths and weaknesses but the primary thing I look for= now is a web based application with a strong iOS client. I just don't = want to<br> # have a single device or platform shift cause me to have to start over aga= in.<br> <br> So far the feature needs seem to be relatively simple (and a few <br> of the mentioned apps have developers on this list, so maybe they'll se= e <br> ;) .. the basic list view, with some nice-to-have easy to hit buttons for <= br> dating, and a meta-data notes add-on.<br> <br> The development requirements so far are reasonable but a lot of <br> work .. ie: obviously iOS+Android woudl be desired (though just one oul= d <br> be doable), and the above request for a web app ..<br> <br> Development these days for mobile apps tends to go either ..<br> <br> - full native (commited to one device family)<br> <br> - pseudo-native (like Xamarin, writing C# that targets both iOS <br> and Android)<br> <br> - another step removed .. PhoneGap etc, where you essentialyl <br> write a web app in javascript, and use tools to make it feel reasonable <br= > native on a given device; but its either cross-compiled to target device <b= r> from javacript, or is just a JS interpreer using the native devices <br> browser engine<br> <br> - hybrid - put a lot of the code on the web, with native client <br> of some sort; the degree of how much work the client is doing vs the <br> website is another continuum. But think Facebook or the like .. a website, = <br> that has all its real work in a web-available API, and a client that just <= br> calls that API; so it feels native in the client, but 3/4 of the work is <b= r> actually out in th cloud.<br> --> this brings up questions about security, availability when <br> off-line, etc etc .. <br> <br> ... so the question of .. if such an app needs a web presence <br> 'period', then it entirely changes how you do development (and of c= ourse <br> requires a significant additional deveoper timesink, since you're now <= br> supporting 1 or more mobile apps, plus the web app which is essentially <br= > significantly different and also includes server hosting needs.)<br> <br> But if you at least start out with the mindset of 'someday' going = <br> to a web app, you at least slow yourself a little to start but at the risk = <br> of having a major easier port to web down the road.<br> <br> I'm not sure how native a PHoneGap type app feals, will have to <br> look around.<br> <br> (Gaming is a different style entirely, since it is assmed games <br> can use totally goofy UIs that don't feel native, and everyone is cool = <br> with that; so in a way its much easier to write a cross platform game than = <br> a productivity app, since a productivity app must feel native, and blend <b= r> nicely with the environment (ie: to keep the user productive :)<br> <br> jeff<br> <br> --<br> If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.<= br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style=3D"color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div> <div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"margin-top: 10px;"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background= -color:#E3E3E3;"> Posted by: skeezix <[email protected]> <hr style=3D= "height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3E3;"> </div> <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div> <table cellspacing=3D4px style=3D"margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px= ; color: #2D50FD;"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; 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