Re: Re: Copy of GOrDon's press release to news syndicates
Keith Ratliff <[email protected]> Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:10:06 -0700
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Who's representing your claim? --Keith On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 09:42, Gregory G <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Began class action lawsuit against Microsoft, Apple and all computer > manufactureres. The basis of the lawsuit is simply. Microsoft and Apple have > known about the Dvorak and have included it in all of their software but did > not dual label their computers. > > The only problem is that I am not a member of the class. Therefore I need > someone who has actually suffered from RSI to file the suit. > > Keith, would you be willing to be the lead complaintant? > > > --- In [email protected] <altkeyboards%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Gregory G" <gregory@...> wrote: > > > > The reason that the Dvorak keyboard will rule the day in a couple of > years is that the Qwerty is in reality America's number one health hazard. > http://tinyurl.com/cure-carpal-tunnel-syndrome > > > > But as Keith reported a simple switch to Dvorak can change all of that. > And if you do it from my Amazon.com affiliate store the labels only cost > $1.99 > > > > http://RSI-therapy.com > > > > --- In [email protected] <altkeyboards%40yahoogroups.com>, > "marzolian" <marzolian@> wrote: > > > > > > Gregory, > > > > > > Dvorak has been available on most computers, especially Windows and > Macintosh, for more than 20 years. Dvorak came up with the idea 75 years > ago. Exactly when is this "fact" going to rule the day? > > > > > > Here's another fact: For someone who just types, a Dvorak keyboard > would be fabulous. But I don't just type all day. Sometimes I write, and > there's a difference. > > > > > > I can type 70-80 wpm on QWERTY. In theory, that's about 4000 words per > hour, or 30,000 words a day. > > > > > > But when I measure my output in words, it's rarely more than a few > thousand a day. Why? Because I'm not just typing ... I am reading, thinking, > copying, pasting, running other programs, playing games, and a dozen other > things. And that's when I'm not standing, or sitting in someone else's > office, or walking or driving. Even if I could type twice as fast with a > Dvorak layout, I would not accomplish twice as much; maybe 5%? > > > > > > I used Dvorak for a few months about 15 years ago. Yes, my fingers felt > comfortable. But then I started working at other people's offices where I > could not change the layout. It was simply too confusing to switch back and > forth when I got home. And my speed stayed stuck at about 40-50 wpm. > > > > > > And there were other oddities. I'm a big guy and my fingers are long, > except for the pinkies. But I have to stretch and twist to reach the L, > which is used much more frequently than P, the letter that occupies that > position in QWERTY. Also, I use Undo, Cut, Copy, and Paste. In QWERTY, those > keys are arranged in one logical place, and can be typed with the Ctrl key > without stretching too much -- not in Dvorak. > > > > > > If I were going to switch, I might try Colemak simply because it takes > those things into account, and is practically as good as Dvorak in other > ways. > > > > > > But Dvorak and Colemak, and all other alternative layouts, don't go far > enough. If Dvorak were around today, he would probably consider the other > things that have been added to computer keyboards: Ctrl, Alt, function keys, > cursor keys. He left the big wide space bar, instead of having the thumbs do > more work. And he didn't consider a mouse at all. > > > > > > I understand the finger-distance argument, but I am about your age, and > my fingers and hands are still comfortable. They started to hurt some in the > past few years but I switched to an ergonomic keyboard (latest one is the > Microsoft Natural Elite, if anyone's interested) and mouse (Wow-Pen Joy). > They each made a much greater impact on my comfort than Dvorak did. Other > people have found satisfaction in the other keyboards mentioned in this > group and elsewhere. > > > > > > Another thought: The Dvorak layout saves typing distance. But don't our > doctors tell us to get more exercise? Using a Dvorak layout, then lifting > weights with our hands, seems like using an escalator to go to the gym and > then get on a stair climbing machine. Or like driving to a park then taking > a walk. > > > > > > The Dvorak keyboard is an improvement over QWERTY, but other features > are even more important for productivity and comfort at a keyboard. > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Steven > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <altkeyboards%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Gregory G" <gregory@> wrote: > > > > > > > But the fact that still rules the day is the one about how many miles > hands have to move in a day. 16 to 20 miles for Qwerty versus one mile or > less for Dvorak. That is a physical fact. I am betting that the difference > in movement mileage will rule the day and encourage most people to switch. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]