Re: members are invited to be lead Plaintiffs in the Qwerty class act

First of all you have no say in whether this goes ahead or not.  Let's not forget how this thing started.  God Himself has taken on the mission.  One man with God is a majority.

--- In [email protected], Kim Bastin <kimb@...> wrote:
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> I think there is a significant danger, in the unlikely event that this 
> harebrained action goes ahead — and inevitably crashes and burns — that 
> the Dvorak 'brand' could find itself contaminated, or an object of 
> ridicule, or both. Companies who have given Dvorak the degree of support 
> the market demands — even a little more — will lift their hand from it. 
> I hope this piece of silliness is quickly forgotten.
> 
> Kim Bastin
> 
> On 30/01/2011 02:32, accessys@... wrote:
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> > actually an attempt like this could backfire and cause the companies to
> > pull support for Dvorak especially if the win a decisive victory.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 29 Jan 2011, Paul Martzen wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 07:00:08 -0800
> >> From: Paul Martzen<paul_martzen@...>
> >> Reply-To: [email protected]
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: [altkeyboards] Re: members are invited to be lead Plaintiffs in the
> >>      Qwerty class act
> >>
> >> I fail to see the basis of a class action suit against Microsoft or
> >> Apple over Dvorak.   They have made it easy to switch to Dvorak by
> >> including it in their operating systems.   If there was any consumer
> >> demand they would probably make dual label keyboards or even Dvorak
> >> labeled keyboards.   I think that Apple may have had a dual labeled
> >> keyboard option in their early years.   Apple 2, maybe?    I think to
> >> succeed is such a suit, you would have to prove that there was large
> >> demand for such keyboards, that the companies had some legal obligation
> >> to provide such keyboards, that they refused, and that their monopoly
> >> prevented consumers from obtaining such keyboards from other sources.
> >>
> >> I don't think that the operating system companies or the hardware
> >> companies are obligated to promote or force the use of Dvorak when the
> >> public is not interested.    Seems to me that the problem is the
> >> organizations which actively work to prevent the use of Dvorak: Schools,
> >> libraries, GRE and other testing services, various companies and system
> >> administrators.    As long as major institutions are allowed to force
> >> the use of Qwerty, then Dvorak will always be at a major disadvantage.
> >> Seems to me that Microsoft and Apple and other Operating Systems have
> >> done their best to make Dvorak available.   The problem is in other
> >> directions.
> >>
> >> I do think that legal, public, political action is warranted and could
> >> be successful against institutions which force the use of Qwerty and
> >> actively prevent the use of Dvorak.   But, a legal action should be the
> >> last step after all other reasonable attempts to correct the problem
> >> have been exhausted.    A parallel effort should be to find examples of
> >> such institutions which do allow the use of Dvorak.  That would set a
> >> standard that other institutions could be compared to.
> >>
> >
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