Re: Re: Keyboard news
Draco Rat <[email protected]> Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:43:52 -0700
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--QFx1M9FTgWr4KOgOvcHDYCZrNTh7MnoGRqIE8VI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use a Typematrix in Dvorak layout. I changed years ago after RSI caused me to not be able to use my hands after a full day of working. It was so bad I couldn't even hold a glass with liquid. (I would pick things up with my wrists like they were pincers.= ) I worried that in ten years I'd be completely unable to use my hands because they would be so bad. I went to a doctor. He told me the usual - buy gel pads, adjust my work station, take breaks. This stuff helped only very marginally. From my geekdom, I was aware that there were other keyboard layouts that were supposed to be "better" but I didn't really know much about that. Still, I had a problem and I really didn't want to give up computing so I looked in to it. The advantages of Dvorak made sense to me. I had hoped that moving my fingers less would help alleviate the pain. I didn't expect that the pain would go away completely. At first, I attributed it to my completely diminished typing speed. I mean how can you have pain when you're typing one letter every two to three seconds? Yet as my speed increased, it never recurred. I've been Dvorak for 6 years now. I'll never go back. I have strength in my hands again. I am pain free. And it feels wonderful. --Draco Rat 2012/4/9 Felipe Barros Corr=C3=AAa de Oliveira <[email protected]> > Hello all, > > I really hope this list to live on for a long time. You all know loving > keyboards is a weird thing and a lonely passion most of the time :P > > I'm from Brazil and have never been able to buy a decent keyboard, first > because I don't have the money and second because they are hard if not > impossible to find here. Instead I've dedicated myself to improving my > Dvorak typing, which I've adopted lots of years ago. Since then I write > exclusively with it when at home, but I still can touch type in my old > speed in Qwerty (really fast, although with an awkward use of fingers) an= d > have also learned to touch type (although I'm not fast) in the russian > Jtsuke. > > Dvorak (although I've seen a lot of people saying it isn't proved, etc.) > benefits where obvious after a few months typing with it: wrist pain was > gone, errors too, speed just grew and so forth. I love it, don't regret t= he > change and will, as long as keyboards resist as a plausible form of > inputting data, use it. And even after that, I believe :D > > That said, I'm in love with the following keyboards for years and one day= I > hope to collect them: > > Kinesis Contoured > Kinesis Freestyle > Datahand > Typematrix > Happy Hacking > Das Keyboard Ultimate > Truly Ergonomic > > Keep this alive! > > > Felipe Barros > > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 6:55 AM, r.sherriff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > I'm thinking on the same lines. Was learning Dvorak (very intuitive and= a > > lot faster than Qwerty), but decided the best bet for me (for non home > > reasons} would be Qwerty with an ergonomic keyboard. If I was writing a > > novel, Dvorak would for me, be the way to go. > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "marzolian" <marzolian@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Giles. Glad to see that there's still interest in the group. > > > > > > I have most of what I like in a keyboard. For both home and office, I > > use a MS Natural Elite keyboard with a Wow-Pen Joy mouse. I am a big fa= n > of > > the contoured keyboard; to me it was a much bigger improvement than the > > Dvorak layout. When I sit at a flat keyboard or use a regular mouse it > > feels wrong, or twisted. > > > > > > I tried Dvorak (for a few months in the last millenium) but I had lot= s > > of trouble switching back and forth (was working short-term assignments > > where I couldn't switch). Also annoying was the Ctrl-X / C / V > assignments. > > For that reason, I would consider Colemak, maybe, one day. > > > > > > I think my ideal keyboard would be ergonomic, in the style of the > > Natural Elite, with a cursor device such as a J-mouse (no touch pad) in > the > > middle of the keys, or something like a Rollermouse below the space bar= . > I > > like the buckling spring action, but not the noise. And I wish somebody > > would make an ergo keyboard without the leftward slant. The right hand'= s > > fairly comfortable, actually, it's just the left side. > > > > > > Thinking farther out, I would like to try something like a data glove > -- > > where my fingers would twitch but not have to touch a physical keyboard= . > > But I have been waiting for that for about 15 years, and it ain't > happening > > yet. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Steven Marzuola > > > www.techlanguage.com > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > To Post a message, send it to: [email protected] > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > [email protected]! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --QFx1M9FTgWr4KOgOvcHDYCZrNTh7MnoGRqIE8VI Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p>I use a Typematrix in Dvorak layout.<br> <br> I changed years ago after RSI caused me to not be able to use my hands<br> after a full day of working. It was so bad I couldn't even hold a glass<br> with liquid. (I would pick things up with my wrists like they were pincers.= )<br> <br> I worried that in ten years I'd be completely unable to use my hands<br> because they would be so bad.<br> <br> I went to a doctor. He told me the usual - buy gel pads, adjust my work<br> station, take breaks.<br> <br> This stuff helped only very marginally.<br> <br> From my geekdom, I was aware that there were other keyboard layouts that<br= > were supposed to be "better" but I didn't really know much about = that.<br> Still, I had a problem and I really didn't want to give up computing so I<b= r> looked in to it.<br> <br> The advantages of Dvorak made sense to me. I had hoped that moving my<br> fingers less would help alleviate the pain.<br> <br> I didn't expect that the pain would go away completely. At first, I<br> attributed it to my completely diminished typing speed. I mean how can you<= br> have pain when you're typing one letter every two to three seconds? Yet as<= br> my speed increased, it never recurred.<br> <br> I've been Dvorak for 6 years now. I'll never go back. I have strength in my= <br> hands again. I am pain free.<br> <br> And it feels wonderful.<br> <br> --Draco Rat<br> <br> 2012/4/9 Felipe Barros Corr=C3=AAa de Oliveira <<a href=3D"mailto:felipe= ahura%40gmail.com">[email protected]</a>><br> <br> > Hello all,<br> ><br> > I really hope this list to live on for a long time. You all know lovin= g<br> > keyboards is a weird thing and a lonely passion most of the time :P<br= > ><br> > I'm from Brazil and have never been able to buy a decent keyboard, fir= st<br> > because I don't have the money and second because they are hard if not= <br> > impossible to find here. Instead I've dedicated myself to improving my= <br> > Dvorak typing, which I've adopted lots of years ago. Since then I writ= e<br> > exclusively with it when at home, but I still can touch type in my old= <br> > speed in Qwerty (really fast, although with an awkward use of fingers)= and<br> > have also learned to touch type (although I'm not fast) in the russian= <br> > Jtsuke.<br> ><br> > Dvorak (although I've seen a lot of people saying it isn't proved, etc= .)<br> > benefits where obvious after a few months typing with it: wrist pain w= as<br> > gone, errors too, speed just grew and so forth. I love it, don't regre= t the<br> > change and will, as long as keyboards resist as a plausible form of<br= > > inputting data, use it. And even after that, I believe :D<br> ><br> > That said, I'm in love with the following keyboards for years and one = day I<br> > hope to collect them:<br> ><br> > Kinesis Contoured<br> > Kinesis Freestyle<br> > Datahand<br> > Typematrix<br> > Happy Hacking<br> > Das Keyboard Ultimate<br> > Truly Ergonomic<br> ><br> > Keep this alive!<br> ><br> ><br> > Felipe Barros<br> ><br> ><br> > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 6:55 AM, r.sherriff <<a href=3D"mailto:r.she= rriff1%40gmail.com">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > > **<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > I'm thinking on the same lines. Was learning Dvorak (very intuiti= ve and a<br> > > lot faster than Qwerty), but decided the best bet for me (for non= home<br> > > reasons} would be Qwerty with an ergonomic keyboard. If I was wri= ting a<br> > > novel, Dvorak would for me, be the way to go.<br> > ><br> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > --- In <a href=3D"mailto:altkeyboards%40yahoogroups.com">altkeybo= [email protected]</a>, "marzolian" <marzolian@...> wrote= :<br> > > ><br> > > > Hi, Giles. Glad to see that there's still interest in the gr= oup.<br> > > ><br> > > > I have most of what I like in a keyboard. For both home and = office, I<br> > > use a MS Natural Elite keyboard with a Wow-Pen Joy mouse. I am a = big fan<br> > of<br> > > the contoured keyboard; to me it was a much bigger improvement th= an the<br> > > Dvorak layout. When I sit at a flat keyboard or use a regular mou= se it<br> > > feels wrong, or twisted.<br> > > ><br> > > > I tried Dvorak (for a few months in the last millenium) but = I had lots<br> > > of trouble switching back and forth (was working short-term assig= nments<br> > > where I couldn't switch). Also annoying was the Ctrl-X / C / V<br= > > assignments.<br> > > For that reason, I would consider Colemak, maybe, one day.<br> > > ><br> > > > I think my ideal keyboard would be ergonomic, in the style o= f the<br> > > Natural Elite, with a cursor device such as a J-mouse (no touch p= ad) in<br> > the<br> > > middle of the keys, or something like a Rollermouse below the spa= ce bar.<br> > I<br> > > like the buckling spring action, but not the noise. And I wish so= mebody<br> > > would make an ergo keyboard without the leftward slant. The right= hand's<br> > > fairly comfortable, actually, it's just the left side.<br> > > ><br> > > > Thinking farther out, I would like to try something like a d= ata glove<br> > --<br> > > where my fingers would twitch but not have to touch a physical ke= yboard.<br> > > But I have been waiting for that for about 15 years, and it ain't= <br> > happening<br> > > yet.<br> > > ><br> > > > Cheers,<br> > > ><br> > > > Steven Marzuola<br> > > > www.techlanguage.com<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> ><br> ><br> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > ------------------------------------<br> ><br> > To Post a message, send it to: <a href=3D"mailto:altkeyboards%40eGro= ups.com">[email protected]</a><br> > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to:<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:altkeyboards-unsubscribe%40eGroups.comYahoo">altkeyb= [email protected]</a>! 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